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Take a breath and take this from first principles... People tend to be tribal. People, when interviewing and select, will tend to hire people that look like th
by roomey 2y ago
Take a breath and take this from first principles...
People tend to be tribal. People, when interviewing and select, will tend to hire people that look like them. A white guy from a white school from a white neighbourhood is far more likely to hire another white guy because that's what the've spent their whole lives surrounded by. This is justified a million ways, but what it boils down to is favouring someone who is a certain race.
And when tech is already full of white guys, it just means more white guys will be hired in tech... Cause maths.
All DEI was doing in the tech world was saying, "try interview at least one woman/ black person etc". Also maybe some training on how to avoid the pitfall in an interview of just hiring someone the same as you.
But look around you in the office. How many women are there? How many black people? How many... Black women?!?! Yea, I thought so.
If you are talking about "merit based" then that is "DEI". If you are talking about "people who look and act like me", then you are racist.
Anyway, excluding people leads to worse outcomes. Unfortunately, it makes life harder for people on the way.
- mitthrowaway2 2y ago> All DEI was doing in the tech world was saying, "try interview at least one woman/ black person etc". Also maybe some training on how to avoid the pitfall in an interview of just hiring someone the same as you. A lot of people are strongly in favour of this, of course, including me. But are you sure that's all that it was doing?
- roomey 2y agoKind of yes. This was what it was attempting to do. Now I must say, in practice. In over 12 years of working in two large multinationals as a "tech interviewer" (That is, once someone went through the management interview and HR interview), I never interviewed a black person or a woman. Anicdotal? Yes. But 12 years is a loooooong time. Anyway, just literally look around an office, or look at a leadership tree, and you can see for yourself. This isn't hard to demonstrate.
- p0w3n3d 2y agoIdea sounds great but the realisation sounds like "I will make peace! Let the bloodshed begin"
- rijoja 2y agoWhat makes you believe that just because there is X percent of category 1 in set A it is "unjust" if there is not X percent of category 1 in an unrelated set B? Also why do you think this principle applies to the categories Women and Blacks, and not for instance people with diabetes, psychopaths and people who like Taylor swift?
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- Jensson 2y ago> And when tech is already full of white guys Its also full of Asian guys, so its way more diverse than most sectors in USA.
- roomey 2y agoIt's not diverse, it's just not. Everyone who works in tech can see it's not diverse. You can tell because pretty soon people start in with the justifications of why it is so