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> That is a subcommittee of the House of representatives- I'm not sure why you didn't mention the House, or mentioned Biden instead? Fair point, you are right,

> That is a subcommittee of the House of representatives- I'm not sure why you didn't mention the House, or mentioned Biden instead? Fair point, you are right, it's irrelevant, I guess I was just trying to preemptively dispel an association to trump. The committee is bi-partisan, but it did have a republican majority at the time the report was released. The senate report is of course not the only government report on covid origins. Most recently the CIA has commented that the virus is "more likely" to have leaked from a lab.[0] > The virus is not closely related to any known wild viruses that have or were being studied by humans. The closest known virus is RaTG13, collected by WIV in 2013[1]. WIV took down it's online database of bat viruses on 12 September 2019[4]. Potentially to conceal it's custody of a closer related virus. > The technology and knowledge to create a working virus like SARS-CoV-2 from known distantly related viruses does not exist- it simply could not be done accidentally or intentionally. Peter Daszak's EcoHealth Alliance, applied for funding[2] to insert human proteolytic cleavage sites into SARS-like coronaviruses[3]. [0]: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd9qjjj4zy5o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd9qjjj4zy5o [1]: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Declassified-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Declass... [2]: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21066966-defuse-proposal/ https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21066966-defuse-prop... [3]: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/363729325_DRASTIC_-_An_Analysis_of_Project_DEFUSE https://www.researchgate.net/publication/363729325_DRASTIC_-... [4]: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/349073738_An_investigation_into_the_WIV_databases_that_were_taken_offline https://www.researchgate.net/publication/349073738_An_invest...

_yb2s 2y ago
I’m not going to systematically rebut what you cited because it has been done better than I can (see the TWIV link above), but I have heard all of what you cited before, and frankly it still appears to be just a politically motivated conspiracy theory that is extremely implausible.
- WatchDog 2y ago
  I’ve watched the video now, and after watching it and reading more, I think you have changed my mind on the lab leak being the most likely cause. I’m still not happy with the letter that Fauci and Daszak co-signed early on in the pandemic, nor with Fauci’s offices attempts to obstruct the foia process. It’s disappointing that so little physical evidence was collected early in the pandemic, i don’t think we will ever have conclusive proof of the origin of the virus.
_yb2s 2y ago
The paper I cited above that has an ancestor 40 years removed, is actually more closely related to SARS-CoV-2 than RaTG13. "We find RmYN02 shares a common ancestor with SARS-CoV-2 about 40 years ago and RaTG13—about 50 years ago" RmYN02 is only 93.3% identical to SARS-CoV-2 - a huge number of differences that could only occur from half a century of divergence in a wild population. There is also another virus more closely related to SARS-CoV-2 than RaTG13, but still too distant to have been involved with the pandemic, BANAL-52.

_yb2s 2y ago

I’m not going to systematically rebut what you cited because it has been done better than I can (see the TWIV link above), but I have heard all of what you cited before, and frankly it still appears to be just a politically motivated conspiracy theory that is extremely implausible.

WatchDog 2y ago
I’ve watched the video now, and after watching it and reading more, I think you have changed my mind on the lab leak being the most likely cause. I’m still not happy with the letter that Fauci and Daszak co-signed early on in the pandemic, nor with Fauci’s offices attempts to obstruct the foia process. It’s disappointing that so little physical evidence was collected early in the pandemic, i don’t think we will ever have conclusive proof of the origin of the virus.

_yb2s 2y ago

The paper I cited above that has an ancestor 40 years removed, is actually more closely related to SARS-CoV-2 than RaTG13. "We find RmYN02 shares a common ancestor with SARS-CoV-2 about 40 years ago and RaTG13—about 50 years ago" RmYN02 is only 93.3% identical to SARS-CoV-2 - a huge number of differences that could only occur from half a century of divergence in a wild population. There is also another virus more closely related to SARS-CoV-2 than RaTG13, but still too distant to have been involved with the pandemic, BANAL-52.