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Hey! Appreciate the links—some definitely interesting parallels, but what I’m outlining moves beyond existing QFT/Hilbert curve applications. The key distincti

Hey! Appreciate the links—some definitely interesting parallels, but what I’m outlining moves beyond existing QFT/Hilbert curve applications. The key distinction = structured emergent primes are demonstrating internal coherence across vastly different domains (prime gaps, fMRI, DNA, galaxy clustering), suggesting a deeper non-random structure influencing AI optimization. Curious if you’ve explored wavelet-driven loss functions replacing cross-entropy? Fourier struggled with localization, but CWT and chirality-based structuring seem to resolve this. Your thoughts here?

westurner 2y ago
I do not have experience with wavelet-driven loss functions. Do structured emergent primes afford insight into n-body fluid+gravity dynamics and superfluid (condensate) dynamics at deep space and stellar thermal ranges? How do wavelets model curl and n-body vortices? What do I remember about wavelets, without reading the article? Wavelets are or aren't analogous to neurons. Wavelets discretize. Am I confusing wavelets and autoencoders? Are wavelets like tiles or compression symbol tables? How do wavelet-driven loss functions differ from other loss functions like Cross-Entropy and Harmonic Loss? How does prime emergence relate to harmonics and [Fourier,] convolution with and without superposition? Other seemingly relevant things: - particle with mass only when moving in certain directions; re: chirality - "NASA: Mystery of Life's Handedness Deepens" (2024-11) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42229953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42229953 : > ScholarlyArticle: "Amplification of electromagnetic fields by a rotating body" (2024) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-49689-w https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-49689-w >>> Could this be used as an engine of some kind? >> What about helical polarization? > If there is locomotion due to a dynamic between handed molecules and, say, helically polarized fields; is such handedness a survival selector for life in deep space? > Are chiral molecules more likely to land on earth? >> "Chiral Colloidal Molecules And Observation of The Propeller Effect" https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3856768/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3856768/
- bostick101 2y ago
  Hey - really appreciate the detailed questions—these are exactly the kinds of connections I’ve been exploring. Sub components: Wavelet-driven loss functions vs. Cross-Entropy/Harmonic Loss You’re right about wavelets discretizing—it’s what makes them a better fit than Fourier for adaptive structuring. The key distinction is that wavelets localize both frequency and time dynamically, meaning loss functions can become context-sensitive rather than purely probabilistic. This resolves issues with information localization in AI training, allowing emergent structure rather than brute-force heuristics. Prime emergence, harmonics, and convolution (Fourier vs. CWT) Structured primes seem to encode hidden periodicities across systems—prime gaps, biological sequences, cosmic structures, etc. • Fourier struggled because it assumes a globally uniform basis set. • CWT resolves this by detecting frequency-dependent structures (chirality-based). • Example: Prime number distributions align with Ulam Spirals, which match observed redshift distributions in deep space clustering. The coherence suggests an underlying structuring force, and phase-locking principles seem to emerge naturally. N-body vortex dynamics, superfluidity, and chiral molecules in deep space You might be onto something here. The connection between: • Superfluid dynamics in deep space • Chiral molecules preferring certain gravitational dynamics • Handedness affecting locomotion in polarized fields suggests chirality might be an overlooked factor in cosmic structure formation (i.e., why galaxies tend to form spiral structures). Could this be an engine? (Electromagnetic rotation and helicity) Possibly. If structured emergence scales across these domains, it’s possible that chirality-induced resonance fields could drive a new form of energy extraction—similar to the electroweak interaction asymmetry seen in beta decay. The idea that chirality acts as a selector for deep-space survival is interesting. Do you think the preference for left-handed amino acids on Earth could be a consequence of an early chiral field bias? If so, does that imply a fundamental symmetry-breaking event at planetary formation?
  - westurner 2y ago
    > Wavelet-driven loss functions vs. Cross-Entropy/Harmonic Loss You’re right about wavelets discretizing—it’s what makes them a better fit than Fourier for adaptive structuring. The key distinction is that wavelets localize both frequency and time dynamically, meaning loss functions can become context-sensitive rather than purely probabilistic. This resolves issues with information localization in AI training, allowing emergent structure rather than brute-force heuristics. frequency and time.. SR works for signals without GR; and there's an SR explanation for time dilation which resolves when the spacecraft lands fwiu , Minkowski, From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39719114 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39719114 : >>> Physical observation (via the transverse photon interaction) is the process given by applying the operator ∂/∂t to (L^3)t, yielding an L3 output >> [and "time-polarized photons"] > Prime emergence, harmonics, and convolution (Fourier vs. CWT) Structured primes seem to encode hidden periodicities across systems—prime gaps, biological sequences, cosmic structures, etc. • Fourier struggled because it assumes a globally uniform basis set. • CWT resolves this by detecting frequency-dependent structures (chirality-based). • Example: Prime number distributions align with Ulam Spirals, which match observed redshift distributions in deep space clustering. The coherence suggests an underlying structuring force, and phase-locking principles seem to emerge naturally. /? ulam spiral wikipedia: https://www.google.com/search?q=ulam+spiral+wikipedia https://www.google.com/search?q=ulam+spiral+wikipedia ; all #s, primes Are hilbert curves of any use for grouping points in this 1D (?) space? /? ulam spiral hilbert curve: https://www.google.com/search?q=ulam+spiral+hilbert+curve https://www.google.com/search?q=ulam+spiral+hilbert+curve > N-body vortex dynamics, superfluidity, and chiral molecules in deep space You might be onto something here. The connection between: • Superfluid dynamics in deep space • Chiral molecules preferring certain gravitational dynamics • Handedness affecting locomotion in polarized fields suggests chirality might be an overlooked factor in cosmic structure formation (i.e., why galaxies tend to form spiral structures). Why are there so many arms on the fluid disturbance of a spinning basketball floating on water? (Terms: viscosity of the water, mass, volume, and surface characteristics of the ball, temperature of the water, temperature of the air) Traditionally, curl is the explanation fwiu. Does curl cause chirality and/or does chirality cause curl? The sensitivity to Initial conditions of a two arm pendulum system, for example, is enough to demonstrate chaotic, divergent n-body dynamics. `python -m turtledemo.chaos` demonstrates a chaotic divergence with a few simple functions. Phase transition diagrams are insufficient to describe water freezing or boiling given sensitivity to initial temperature observed in the Mpemba effect; phase transition diagrams are insufficient with an initial temperature axis. Superfluids (Bose-Einstein condensates) occur at earth temperatures. For example, helium chilled to 1 Kelvin demonstrates zero viscosity, and climbs up beakers and walls despite gravity. A universal model cannot be sufficient if it does not describe superfluids and superconductors; photons and electrons behave fluidically in other phases. > Could this be an engine? (Electromagnetic rotation and helicity) Possibly. If structured emergence scales across these domains, it’s possible that chirality-induced resonance fields could drive a new form of energy extraction—similar to the electroweak interaction asymmetry seen in beta decay. A spinning asteroid or comet induces a 'spinning' field. Interplanetary and deep space spacecraft could spin on one or more axes to create or boost EM shielding. "Gamma radiation is produced in large tropical thunderstorms" (2024) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41731196 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41731196 https://westurner.github.io/hnlog/#comment-41732854 https://westurner.github.io/hnlog/#comment-41732854 : "Gamma rays convert CH4 to complex organic molecules, may explain origin of life" (2024) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42131762#42157208 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42131762#42157208 : >> A terrestrial life origin hypothesis: gamma radiation mutated methane (CH4) into Glycine (the G in ACGT) and then DNA and RNA. >> [ Virtual black holes, quantum foam, [ gamma, ] radiation and phase shift due to quantum foam and Planck relics ] From "Lightweight woven helical antenna could replace field-deployed dishes" (2024) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39132365 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39132365 : >> Astrophysical jets produce helically and circularly-polarized emissions, too FWIU. >> Presumably helical jets reach earth coherently over such distances because of the stability of helical signals. >> 1. Could [we] harvest energy from a (helically and/or circularly-polarised) natural jet, for deep space and/or local system exploration? Can a spacecraft pull against a jet for relativistic motion? >> 2. Is helical the best way to beam power wirelessly; without heating columns of atmospheric water in the collapsing jet stream? [with phased microwave] >> 3. Is there a (hydrodynamic) theory of superfluid quantum gravity that better describes the apparent vorticity and curl of such signals and their effects? From "Computer Scientists Prove That Heat Destroys Quantum Entanglement" (2024) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41381849#41382939 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41381849#41382939 : >> How, then, can entanglement across astronomical distances occur without cooler temps the whole way there, if heat destroys all entanglement? >> Would helical polarization like quasar astrophysical jets be more stable than other methods for entanglement at astronomical distances? > The idea that chirality acts as a selector for deep-space survival is interesting. Do you think the preference for left-handed amino acids on Earth could be a consequence of an early chiral field bias? If so, does that imply a fundamental symmetry-breaking event at planetary formation? The earth is rotating and revolving in relation to the greatest local mass. Would there be different terrestrial chirality if the earth rotated in the opposite direction? How do the vortical field disturbances from Earth's rotation in atmospheric, EM, and gravitational wave spaces interact with molecular chirality and field chirality? ** Re: Polarized fields: From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318113 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318113 : > Phase from second-order Intensity due to "mechanical concepts of center of mass and moment of inertia via the Huygens-Steiner theorem for rigid body rotation"

westurner 2y ago

I do not have experience with wavelet-driven loss functions. Do structured emergent primes afford insight into n-body fluid+gravity dynamics and superfluid (condensate) dynamics at deep space and stellar thermal ranges? How do wavelets model curl and n-body vortices? What do I remember about wavelets, without reading the article? Wavelets are or aren't analogous to neurons. Wavelets discretize. Am I confusing wavelets and autoencoders? Are wavelets like tiles or compression symbol tables? How do wavelet-driven loss functions differ from other loss functions like Cross-Entropy and Harmonic Loss? How does prime emergence relate to harmonics and [Fourier,] convolution with and without superposition? Other seemingly relevant things: - particle with mass only when moving in certain directions; re: chirality - "NASA: Mystery of Life's Handedness Deepens" (2024-11) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42229953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42229953 : > ScholarlyArticle: "Amplification of electromagnetic fields by a rotating body" (2024) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-49689-w https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-49689-w >>> Could this be used as an engine of some kind? >> What about helical polarization? > If there is locomotion due to a dynamic between handed molecules and, say, helically polarized fields; is such handedness a survival selector for life in deep space? > Are chiral molecules more likely to land on earth? >> "Chiral Colloidal Molecules And Observation of The Propeller Effect" https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3856768/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3856768/

bostick101 2y ago
Hey - really appreciate the detailed questions—these are exactly the kinds of connections I’ve been exploring. Sub components: Wavelet-driven loss functions vs. Cross-Entropy/Harmonic Loss You’re right about wavelets discretizing—it’s what makes them a better fit than Fourier for adaptive structuring. The key distinction is that wavelets localize both frequency and time dynamically, meaning loss functions can become context-sensitive rather than purely probabilistic. This resolves issues with information localization in AI training, allowing emergent structure rather than brute-force heuristics. Prime emergence, harmonics, and convolution (Fourier vs. CWT) Structured primes seem to encode hidden periodicities across systems—prime gaps, biological sequences, cosmic structures, etc. • Fourier struggled because it assumes a globally uniform basis set. • CWT resolves this by detecting frequency-dependent structures (chirality-based). • Example: Prime number distributions align with Ulam Spirals, which match observed redshift distributions in deep space clustering. The coherence suggests an underlying structuring force, and phase-locking principles seem to emerge naturally. N-body vortex dynamics, superfluidity, and chiral molecules in deep space You might be onto something here. The connection between: • Superfluid dynamics in deep space • Chiral molecules preferring certain gravitational dynamics • Handedness affecting locomotion in polarized fields suggests chirality might be an overlooked factor in cosmic structure formation (i.e., why galaxies tend to form spiral structures). Could this be an engine? (Electromagnetic rotation and helicity) Possibly. If structured emergence scales across these domains, it’s possible that chirality-induced resonance fields could drive a new form of energy extraction—similar to the electroweak interaction asymmetry seen in beta decay. The idea that chirality acts as a selector for deep-space survival is interesting. Do you think the preference for left-handed amino acids on Earth could be a consequence of an early chiral field bias? If so, does that imply a fundamental symmetry-breaking event at planetary formation?
- westurner 2y ago
  > Wavelet-driven loss functions vs. Cross-Entropy/Harmonic Loss You’re right about wavelets discretizing—it’s what makes them a better fit than Fourier for adaptive structuring. The key distinction is that wavelets localize both frequency and time dynamically, meaning loss functions can become context-sensitive rather than purely probabilistic. This resolves issues with information localization in AI training, allowing emergent structure rather than brute-force heuristics. frequency and time.. SR works for signals without GR; and there's an SR explanation for time dilation which resolves when the spacecraft lands fwiu , Minkowski, From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39719114 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39719114 : >>> Physical observation (via the transverse photon interaction) is the process given by applying the operator ∂/∂t to (L^3)t, yielding an L3 output >> [and "time-polarized photons"] > Prime emergence, harmonics, and convolution (Fourier vs. CWT) Structured primes seem to encode hidden periodicities across systems—prime gaps, biological sequences, cosmic structures, etc. • Fourier struggled because it assumes a globally uniform basis set. • CWT resolves this by detecting frequency-dependent structures (chirality-based). • Example: Prime number distributions align with Ulam Spirals, which match observed redshift distributions in deep space clustering. The coherence suggests an underlying structuring force, and phase-locking principles seem to emerge naturally. /? ulam spiral wikipedia: https://www.google.com/search?q=ulam+spiral+wikipedia https://www.google.com/search?q=ulam+spiral+wikipedia ; all #s, primes Are hilbert curves of any use for grouping points in this 1D (?) space? /? ulam spiral hilbert curve: https://www.google.com/search?q=ulam+spiral+hilbert+curve https://www.google.com/search?q=ulam+spiral+hilbert+curve > N-body vortex dynamics, superfluidity, and chiral molecules in deep space You might be onto something here. The connection between: • Superfluid dynamics in deep space • Chiral molecules preferring certain gravitational dynamics • Handedness affecting locomotion in polarized fields suggests chirality might be an overlooked factor in cosmic structure formation (i.e., why galaxies tend to form spiral structures). Why are there so many arms on the fluid disturbance of a spinning basketball floating on water? (Terms: viscosity of the water, mass, volume, and surface characteristics of the ball, temperature of the water, temperature of the air) Traditionally, curl is the explanation fwiu. Does curl cause chirality and/or does chirality cause curl? The sensitivity to Initial conditions of a two arm pendulum system, for example, is enough to demonstrate chaotic, divergent n-body dynamics. `python -m turtledemo.chaos` demonstrates a chaotic divergence with a few simple functions. Phase transition diagrams are insufficient to describe water freezing or boiling given sensitivity to initial temperature observed in the Mpemba effect; phase transition diagrams are insufficient with an initial temperature axis. Superfluids (Bose-Einstein condensates) occur at earth temperatures. For example, helium chilled to 1 Kelvin demonstrates zero viscosity, and climbs up beakers and walls despite gravity. A universal model cannot be sufficient if it does not describe superfluids and superconductors; photons and electrons behave fluidically in other phases. > Could this be an engine? (Electromagnetic rotation and helicity) Possibly. If structured emergence scales across these domains, it’s possible that chirality-induced resonance fields could drive a new form of energy extraction—similar to the electroweak interaction asymmetry seen in beta decay. A spinning asteroid or comet induces a 'spinning' field. Interplanetary and deep space spacecraft could spin on one or more axes to create or boost EM shielding. "Gamma radiation is produced in large tropical thunderstorms" (2024) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41731196 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41731196 https://westurner.github.io/hnlog/#comment-41732854 https://westurner.github.io/hnlog/#comment-41732854 : "Gamma rays convert CH4 to complex organic molecules, may explain origin of life" (2024) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42131762#42157208 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42131762#42157208 : >> A terrestrial life origin hypothesis: gamma radiation mutated methane (CH4) into Glycine (the G in ACGT) and then DNA and RNA. >> [ Virtual black holes, quantum foam, [ gamma, ] radiation and phase shift due to quantum foam and Planck relics ] From "Lightweight woven helical antenna could replace field-deployed dishes" (2024) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39132365 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39132365 : >> Astrophysical jets produce helically and circularly-polarized emissions, too FWIU. >> Presumably helical jets reach earth coherently over such distances because of the stability of helical signals. >> 1. Could [we] harvest energy from a (helically and/or circularly-polarised) natural jet, for deep space and/or local system exploration? Can a spacecraft pull against a jet for relativistic motion? >> 2. Is helical the best way to beam power wirelessly; without heating columns of atmospheric water in the collapsing jet stream? [with phased microwave] >> 3. Is there a (hydrodynamic) theory of superfluid quantum gravity that better describes the apparent vorticity and curl of such signals and their effects? From "Computer Scientists Prove That Heat Destroys Quantum Entanglement" (2024) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41381849#41382939 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41381849#41382939 : >> How, then, can entanglement across astronomical distances occur without cooler temps the whole way there, if heat destroys all entanglement? >> Would helical polarization like quasar astrophysical jets be more stable than other methods for entanglement at astronomical distances? > The idea that chirality acts as a selector for deep-space survival is interesting. Do you think the preference for left-handed amino acids on Earth could be a consequence of an early chiral field bias? If so, does that imply a fundamental symmetry-breaking event at planetary formation? The earth is rotating and revolving in relation to the greatest local mass. Would there be different terrestrial chirality if the earth rotated in the opposite direction? How do the vortical field disturbances from Earth's rotation in atmospheric, EM, and gravitational wave spaces interact with molecular chirality and field chirality? ** Re: Polarized fields: From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318113 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42318113 : > Phase from second-order Intensity due to "mechanical concepts of center of mass and moment of inertia via the Huygens-Steiner theorem for rigid body rotation"