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by Gothmog69 2y ago
From 2008 on
- llamaimperative 2y agoThat's not very specific. Can you list some events/actions/behaviors/etc that you see as analogous to what's going on today?
- ty6853 2y agoWhat's going on today with doge is what exactly? They're accessing payment systems, as advertised openly in a democratic election. You want analogies of a scrutinizing funding and then viciously calling for its retraction? Because pretty much all colors and creeds have done that.
- llamaimperative 2y agoGoing line by line through payments to look for things that look politically affiliated with the opposing side’s viewpoints with the stated goal of ending those payments? Please show me an analog.
- ty6853 2y ago[flagged]
- llamaimperative 2y agoNo I frankly have never heard of anything like this, and it doesn't appear the dozens of federal budget experts, Constitutional law experts, political historians, or policy legal analysts I follow closely have heard of anything similar either. I don't think anyone at any location on the political spectrum would describe what's going on right now as "business as usual," but apparently you believe that's the case. So please share evidence. Definitionally, it should be abundant.
- ty6853 2y ago[flagged]
- llamaimperative 2y agoBut uhhh… Isn’t that process actually going on currently in Congress, where/when/how it normally happens, and this process is going on separately, very atypically, and already changing government outflows prior to any congressional decisions? I don’t think “every year a totally different branch of government argues over the budget” is analogous at all, and I don’t think you do either.
- ty6853 2y agoI haven't said it was analogous though, it was your invented demand.
- llamaimperative 2y agoYou suggested that the right is currently doing to the left what the left does to the right… Great evidence! Thanks!
- ty6853 2y agoIm suggesting doing different non-analogous things can provide balance. At no point did I assert they must be analogous nor am I obliged to prove your own assumptions.
- llamaimperative 2y agoGot it, so the other party may some day eventually do something similar to what is happening today, and at that point, the two would be equal and symmetrical.
- vel0city 2y ago> Every year's appropriation bill, there is a line by line partison fight over funding And who normally does that, a billionaire with grudges loosely appointed by the executive branch mostly doing it on his own in secret or the representatives in Congress? You sure this is normal?
- courseofaction 2y agoSounds like you don't have an argument or analogy and are going for ad hominem and deflection instead.
- ty6853 2y agoThe argument 'but the right dismantling the shadow left, and the left dismantling the shadow right hopefully provides some balance' is merely a symmetric balance principle. The person pretending to ask questions used an underhanded socratic method to assert what was happening about line-by-line and then demanded analog for their own premise as if it were mine instead of theirs. Youve fallen for a trick.
- llamaimperative 2y agoI asked for evidence of your claim of symmetric behavior. You just sent everyone on a wild goose chase instead of saying “I don’t have any.”
- ty6853 2y agoMy claim is that symmetric behavior is balanced. You went on the goose chase dismissing the first example of your entirely different demand, then pretended I never said it. Your argument is a disingenuous fraud.
- llamaimperative 2y agoOh okay, your statement is just "if the left did this same thing, then they'd be doing the same thing?" Alright, no complaints there. Thanks for your insight.
- drewcoo 2y agoThe more polite term is "sealioning." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
- llamaimperative 2y ago> both sides do this > can you give a specific example you see as similar? > wahhhh stop sealioning me!
- ty6853 2y ago'This' is as defined by you, as you reject analogies based on whatever premise you impose on others, even though they pretend to be mere questions. I knew you would reject whatever was offered, and you did. It was never a sincere question.
- llamaimperative 2y agoYou haven’t presented any examples. And I literally asked what seems analogous to you. Sure, I might dispute your answer, but that’s what a conversation is. It’s really telling that you still haven’t volunteered any answer.
- littlestymaar 2y agoThey are illegally accessing information for who knows what, and fire everyone who attempt to stop them and make them respect the law, for starter. They aren't "calling for retraction" of fundings (which is normal in democracy, but then this call have to be listened by Congress for the retraction to happen), then are cutting funds on their own, without a democratic mandate and are doing so in spite of the laws and the constitution. That's unprecedented in any Western democracy.