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When did the left do this to the right? Be specific please.

by llamaimperative 2y ago

snailmailstare 2y ago
I think it was in the basement of pizza place.
Gothmog69 2y ago
From 2008 on
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  That's not very specific. Can you list some events/actions/behaviors/etc that you see as analogous to what's going on today?
  - ty6853 2y ago
    What's going on today with doge is what exactly? They're accessing payment systems, as advertised openly in a democratic election. You want analogies of a scrutinizing funding and then viciously calling for its retraction? Because pretty much all colors and creeds have done that.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      Going line by line through payments to look for things that look politically affiliated with the opposing side’s viewpoints with the stated goal of ending those payments? Please show me an analog.
      - ty6853 2y ago
        [flagged]
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        No I frankly have never heard of anything like this, and it doesn't appear the dozens of federal budget experts, Constitutional law experts, political historians, or policy legal analysts I follow closely have heard of anything similar either. I don't think anyone at any location on the political spectrum would describe what's going on right now as "business as usual," but apparently you believe that's the case. So please share evidence. Definitionally, it should be abundant.
        ty6853 2y ago
        [flagged]
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        But uhhh… Isn’t that process actually going on currently in Congress, where/when/how it normally happens, and this process is going on separately, very atypically, and already changing government outflows prior to any congressional decisions? I don’t think “every year a totally different branch of government argues over the budget” is analogous at all, and I don’t think you do either.
        ty6853 2y ago
        I haven't said it was analogous though, it was your invented demand.
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        You suggested that the right is currently doing to the left what the left does to the right… Great evidence! Thanks!
        ty6853 2y ago
        Im suggesting doing different non-analogous things can provide balance. At no point did I assert they must be analogous nor am I obliged to prove your own assumptions.
    - littlestymaar 2y ago
      They are illegally accessing information for who knows what, and fire everyone who attempt to stop them and make them respect the law, for starter. They aren't "calling for retraction" of fundings (which is normal in democracy, but then this call have to be listened by Congress for the retraction to happen), then are cutting funds on their own, without a democratic mandate and are doing so in spite of the laws and the constitution. That's unprecedented in any Western democracy.
theonething 2y ago
You're asking when did this happen: "the left dismantling the shadow right" here, when the IRS under Obama discriminated against conservative and Christian groups for applications for tax exempt status > The consent order says the IRS admits it wrongly used "heightened scrutiny and inordinate delays" and demanded unnecessary information as it reviewed applications for tax-exempt status. The order says, "For such treatment, the IRS expresses its sincere apology." https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-... Is that specific enough for you?
- deleted 2y ago
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- ModernMech 2y ago
  In late September 2017, an exhaustive report by the Treasury Department's inspector general found that from 2004 to 2013, the IRS used both conservative and liberal keywords to choose targets for further scrutiny, blunting claims that the issue had been an Obama-era partisan scandal.[1][2] The 115-page report confirmed the findings of the prior 2013 report that some conservative organizations had been unfairly targeted, but also found that the pattern of misconduct had been ongoing since 2004 and was non-partisan in nature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy#:~:text=In%202013%2C%20the%20United%20States,their%20names%20or%20political%20themes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy#:~:t...

When did the left do this to the right? Be specific please.

snailmailstare 2y ago

I think it was in the basement of pizza place.

Gothmog69 2y ago

From 2008 on

llamaimperative 2y ago
That's not very specific. Can you list some events/actions/behaviors/etc that you see as analogous to what's going on today?
- ty6853 2y ago
  What's going on today with doge is what exactly? They're accessing payment systems, as advertised openly in a democratic election. You want analogies of a scrutinizing funding and then viciously calling for its retraction? Because pretty much all colors and creeds have done that.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Going line by line through payments to look for things that look politically affiliated with the opposing side’s viewpoints with the stated goal of ending those payments? Please show me an analog.
    - ty6853 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        No I frankly have never heard of anything like this, and it doesn't appear the dozens of federal budget experts, Constitutional law experts, political historians, or policy legal analysts I follow closely have heard of anything similar either. I don't think anyone at any location on the political spectrum would describe what's going on right now as "business as usual," but apparently you believe that's the case. So please share evidence. Definitionally, it should be abundant.
        ty6853 2y ago
        [flagged]
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        But uhhh… Isn’t that process actually going on currently in Congress, where/when/how it normally happens, and this process is going on separately, very atypically, and already changing government outflows prior to any congressional decisions? I don’t think “every year a totally different branch of government argues over the budget” is analogous at all, and I don’t think you do either.
        ty6853 2y ago
        I haven't said it was analogous though, it was your invented demand.
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        You suggested that the right is currently doing to the left what the left does to the right… Great evidence! Thanks!
        ty6853 2y ago
        Im suggesting doing different non-analogous things can provide balance. At no point did I assert they must be analogous nor am I obliged to prove your own assumptions.
  - littlestymaar 2y ago
    They are illegally accessing information for who knows what, and fire everyone who attempt to stop them and make them respect the law, for starter. They aren't "calling for retraction" of fundings (which is normal in democracy, but then this call have to be listened by Congress for the retraction to happen), then are cutting funds on their own, without a democratic mandate and are doing so in spite of the laws and the constitution. That's unprecedented in any Western democracy.

theonething 2y ago

You're asking when did this happen: "the left dismantling the shadow right" here, when the IRS under Obama discriminated against conservative and Christian groups for applications for tax exempt status > The consent order says the IRS admits it wrongly used "heightened scrutiny and inordinate delays" and demanded unnecessary information as it reviewed applications for tax-exempt status. The order says, "For such treatment, the IRS expresses its sincere apology." https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-... Is that specific enough for you?

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ModernMech 2y ago
In late September 2017, an exhaustive report by the Treasury Department's inspector general found that from 2004 to 2013, the IRS used both conservative and liberal keywords to choose targets for further scrutiny, blunting claims that the issue had been an Obama-era partisan scandal.[1][2] The 115-page report confirmed the findings of the prior 2013 report that some conservative organizations had been unfairly targeted, but also found that the pattern of misconduct had been ongoing since 2004 and was non-partisan in nature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy#:~:text=In%202013%2C%20the%20United%20States,their%20names%20or%20political%20themes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy#:~:t...