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Yeah, I mean Musk has literally tweeted that DOGE is "dismantling the radical-left shadow government."[0] This is not about efficiency or rooting out corruption

by krapp 2y ago

Yeah, I mean Musk has literally tweeted that DOGE is "dismantling the radical-left shadow government."[0] This is not about efficiency or rooting out corruption, it's about persecuting political enemies and purging wrongthink. Which was something people here screamed bloody murder about when they accused Biden of doing it, just by asking Twitter to moderate content, but I guess this is all fine now. [0]https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1886840365329608708 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1886840365329608708

ty6853 2y ago
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- llamaimperative 2y ago
  When did the left do this to the right? Be specific please.
  - snailmailstare 2y ago
    I think it was in the basement of pizza place.
  - Gothmog69 2y ago
    From 2008 on
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      That's not very specific. Can you list some events/actions/behaviors/etc that you see as analogous to what's going on today?
      - ty6853 2y ago
        What's going on today with doge is what exactly? They're accessing payment systems, as advertised openly in a democratic election. You want analogies of a scrutinizing funding and then viciously calling for its retraction? Because pretty much all colors and creeds have done that.
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        Going line by line through payments to look for things that look politically affiliated with the opposing side’s viewpoints with the stated goal of ending those payments? Please show me an analog.
        ty6853 2y ago
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        llamaimperative 2y ago
        No I frankly have never heard of anything like this, and it doesn't appear the dozens of federal budget experts, Constitutional law experts, political historians, or policy legal analysts I follow closely have heard of anything similar either. I don't think anyone at any location on the political spectrum would describe what's going on right now as "business as usual," but apparently you believe that's the case. So please share evidence. Definitionally, it should be abundant.
        ty6853 2y ago
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        llamaimperative 2y ago
        But uhhh… Isn’t that process actually going on currently in Congress, where/when/how it normally happens, and this process is going on separately, very atypically, and already changing government outflows prior to any congressional decisions? I don’t think “every year a totally different branch of government argues over the budget” is analogous at all, and I don’t think you do either.
        ty6853 2y ago
        I haven't said it was analogous though, it was your invented demand.
  - theonething 2y ago
    You're asking when did this happen: "the left dismantling the shadow right" here, when the IRS under Obama discriminated against conservative and Christian groups for applications for tax exempt status > The consent order says the IRS admits it wrongly used "heightened scrutiny and inordinate delays" and demanded unnecessary information as it reviewed applications for tax-exempt status. The order says, "For such treatment, the IRS expresses its sincere apology." https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-... Is that specific enough for you?
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - ModernMech 2y ago
      In late September 2017, an exhaustive report by the Treasury Department's inspector general found that from 2004 to 2013, the IRS used both conservative and liberal keywords to choose targets for further scrutiny, blunting claims that the issue had been an Obama-era partisan scandal.[1][2] The 115-page report confirmed the findings of the prior 2013 report that some conservative organizations had been unfairly targeted, but also found that the pattern of misconduct had been ongoing since 2004 and was non-partisan in nature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy#:~:text=In%202013%2C%20the%20United%20States,their%20names%20or%20political%20themes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy#:~:t...
- krapp 2y ago
  What Musk is describing is a deranged conspiracy theory, that "shadow left" doesn't exist except as a modern meme-driven equivalent to right-wing fears of communist infiltrators and Jews in academia. It turns out this generation's totenkopf is an AI generated shiba inu. And there isn't a "shadow right" either, but only because they're acting completely out in the open.
  - mrguyorama 2y ago
    There can't be a "shadow left" anything in the USA because the US, by popular request dragged its systems of leftist organization out into the street and executed them decades ago. When Reagan narc'd on his coworkers for having "communist sympathies" he became such a national brand he got elected in one of the best election outcomes for the right basically ever. That's why the US "left" is reduced to whinging about how democrats don't do socialism (from a position of zero power in the government) and therefore you shouldn't vote for them. They don't seem to notice it has been 50 years of only making the problem worse.
  - deepfriedchokes 2y ago
    It’s in-group/out-group narrative. In order to claim to be the good guys you have to invent a bad guy. It’s a power/ego game played by people who are abusive. Both parties play it.
    - krapp 2y ago
      The "bad guy" invented by the right isn't real. The "bad guy" of the left is real. There is no "radical-left shadow government" but there is clearly a radical-right shadow government forming and acting as we watch.
- yongjik 2y ago
  I assume this is a prevalent mindset of a big chunk of Trump supporters. "I love it when half of my state government is at war with the remaining half, and I want the US government to be like that, so that it can't get anything done." Well, I guess that's better than being outright neo-Nazi ...
  - ty6853 2y ago
    Yes that is essentially what I want but for the same reason I am not a trump supporter nor did I vote for Trump despite voting. I see him as a somewhat useful tool of chaos but I'm under no illusion he is operating under anything but pursuit of personal gains.
    - krapp 2y ago
      Useful to whom, though?
      - ty6853 2y ago
        Ross Ulbricht, for one.
        dylan604 2y ago
        1600 J6 people to for 1600 others
Gothmog69 2y ago
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- x3haloed 2y ago
  Hate to break it to you, but it doesn’t exist. It’s like me coming over to your house and saying that I’m going to root out the ghosts in your home by dismantling it. Would you let me proceed because you don’t like ghosts? He’s telling what he’s doing, but the reason is a made-up pretext.
dylan604 2y ago
> just by asking Twitter to moderate content, but I guess this is all fine now. It's never wrong when it's something you agree with, and that's as far as Musk's belief in free speech goes. Allowing posts he agrees with, it's free speech. If it's something that sheds bad light on something he is, owns, or believes, it's bad and must be stopped. It's a classic as old as time

by krapp 2y ago

ty6853 2y ago

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llamaimperative 2y ago
When did the left do this to the right? Be specific please.
- snailmailstare 2y ago
  I think it was in the basement of pizza place.
- Gothmog69 2y ago
  From 2008 on
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    That's not very specific. Can you list some events/actions/behaviors/etc that you see as analogous to what's going on today?
    - ty6853 2y ago
      What's going on today with doge is what exactly? They're accessing payment systems, as advertised openly in a democratic election. You want analogies of a scrutinizing funding and then viciously calling for its retraction? Because pretty much all colors and creeds have done that.
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        Going line by line through payments to look for things that look politically affiliated with the opposing side’s viewpoints with the stated goal of ending those payments? Please show me an analog.
        ty6853 2y ago
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        llamaimperative 2y ago
        No I frankly have never heard of anything like this, and it doesn't appear the dozens of federal budget experts, Constitutional law experts, political historians, or policy legal analysts I follow closely have heard of anything similar either. I don't think anyone at any location on the political spectrum would describe what's going on right now as "business as usual," but apparently you believe that's the case. So please share evidence. Definitionally, it should be abundant.
        ty6853 2y ago
        [flagged]
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        But uhhh… Isn’t that process actually going on currently in Congress, where/when/how it normally happens, and this process is going on separately, very atypically, and already changing government outflows prior to any congressional decisions? I don’t think “every year a totally different branch of government argues over the budget” is analogous at all, and I don’t think you do either.
        ty6853 2y ago
        I haven't said it was analogous though, it was your invented demand.
- theonething 2y ago
  You're asking when did this happen: "the left dismantling the shadow right" here, when the IRS under Obama discriminated against conservative and Christian groups for applications for tax exempt status > The consent order says the IRS admits it wrongly used "heightened scrutiny and inordinate delays" and demanded unnecessary information as it reviewed applications for tax-exempt status. The order says, "For such treatment, the IRS expresses its sincere apology." https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-... Is that specific enough for you?
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - ModernMech 2y ago
    In late September 2017, an exhaustive report by the Treasury Department's inspector general found that from 2004 to 2013, the IRS used both conservative and liberal keywords to choose targets for further scrutiny, blunting claims that the issue had been an Obama-era partisan scandal.[1][2] The 115-page report confirmed the findings of the prior 2013 report that some conservative organizations had been unfairly targeted, but also found that the pattern of misconduct had been ongoing since 2004 and was non-partisan in nature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy#:~:text=In%202013%2C%20the%20United%20States,their%20names%20or%20political%20themes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy#:~:t...
krapp 2y ago
What Musk is describing is a deranged conspiracy theory, that "shadow left" doesn't exist except as a modern meme-driven equivalent to right-wing fears of communist infiltrators and Jews in academia. It turns out this generation's totenkopf is an AI generated shiba inu. And there isn't a "shadow right" either, but only because they're acting completely out in the open.
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  There can't be a "shadow left" anything in the USA because the US, by popular request dragged its systems of leftist organization out into the street and executed them decades ago. When Reagan narc'd on his coworkers for having "communist sympathies" he became such a national brand he got elected in one of the best election outcomes for the right basically ever. That's why the US "left" is reduced to whinging about how democrats don't do socialism (from a position of zero power in the government) and therefore you shouldn't vote for them. They don't seem to notice it has been 50 years of only making the problem worse.
- deepfriedchokes 2y ago
  It’s in-group/out-group narrative. In order to claim to be the good guys you have to invent a bad guy. It’s a power/ego game played by people who are abusive. Both parties play it.
  - krapp 2y ago
    The "bad guy" invented by the right isn't real. The "bad guy" of the left is real. There is no "radical-left shadow government" but there is clearly a radical-right shadow government forming and acting as we watch.
yongjik 2y ago
I assume this is a prevalent mindset of a big chunk of Trump supporters. "I love it when half of my state government is at war with the remaining half, and I want the US government to be like that, so that it can't get anything done." Well, I guess that's better than being outright neo-Nazi ...
- ty6853 2y ago
  Yes that is essentially what I want but for the same reason I am not a trump supporter nor did I vote for Trump despite voting. I see him as a somewhat useful tool of chaos but I'm under no illusion he is operating under anything but pursuit of personal gains.
  - krapp 2y ago
    Useful to whom, though?
    - ty6853 2y ago
      Ross Ulbricht, for one.
      - dylan604 2y ago
        1600 J6 people to for 1600 others

Gothmog69 2y ago

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x3haloed 2y ago
Hate to break it to you, but it doesn’t exist. It’s like me coming over to your house and saying that I’m going to root out the ghosts in your home by dismantling it. Would you let me proceed because you don’t like ghosts? He’s telling what he’s doing, but the reason is a made-up pretext.

dylan604 2y ago

> just by asking Twitter to moderate content, but I guess this is all fine now. It's never wrong when it's something you agree with, and that's as far as Musk's belief in free speech goes. Allowing posts he agrees with, it's free speech. If it's something that sheds bad light on something he is, owns, or believes, it's bad and must be stopped. It's a classic as old as time