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> On the other hand, without Cloudflare I'd be seeing thousands of junk requests and hacking attempts everyday, people attempting credit card fraud, etc. Yup!
by inetknght 2y ago
> On the other hand, without Cloudflare I'd be seeing thousands of junk requests and hacking attempts everyday, people attempting credit card fraud, etc.
Yup!
> I honestly don't know what the solution is.
Force law enforcement to enforce the laws.
Or else, block the countries that don't combat fraud. That means... China? Hey isn't there a "trade war" being "started"? It sure would be fortunate if China (and certain other fraud-friendly countries around Asia/Pacific) were blocked from the rest of the Internet until/unless they provide enforcement and/or compensation their fraudulent use of technology.
- marginalia_nu 2y agoA lot of this traffic is bouncing all over the world before it reaches your server. Almost always via at least one botnet. Finding the source of the traffic is pretty hopeless.
- patrick451 2y agoWhen the government actually cares, they're able to track these things down. But they don't except in high profile cases.
- marginalia_nu 2y agoWell sometimes at least. When the government really cares, it can put all its resources to solve any particular problem. Though obviously that comes at the cost of reassigning resources from other tasks. Sadly it's impossible to assign all resources to solve every problem all at once.
- RIMR 2y agoA wild take only possible if you don't understand how the Internet works.
- inetknght 2y agoA wild opinion only valid if you have a defeatist attitude.
- jeroenhd 2y agoA lot of the fake browser traffic I'm seeing is coming from American data centres. China plays a major part, but if we're going by bot traffic, America will end up on the ban list pretty quickly.
- inetknght 2y agoAmerica does have laws against this kind of thing. So instead of banning America, report the IP addresses to their American hosts for spam and malicious intent. If the host refuses to do anything, report it to law enforcement. If law enforcement doesn't do anything... then you're proving my point.
- portaouflop 2y agoHow are you gonna force law enforcement to enforce the laws?
- inetknght 2y agoThanks for finding my point!
- dmantis 2y agoSo you are saying that if 95% of world population, including Chinese, Russians, etc reports American bot farm to American police, somebody would really review that and go after Americans? BTW, how they should report it, if they are a small business/physical person without lawyers? Does US police have some kind of online hotline to report US criminals for foreigners or smth?
- jacobr1 2y agoSlightly more complicated because a ton of the abuse comes from IPs located western countries, explicitly to evade fraud and abuse detection. Now you can go after the western owners of those systems (and all the big ones do have have large abuse teams to handle reports) but enforcement has a much higher latency. To be effective you would need a much more aggressive system. Stronger KYC. Changes in laws to allow for less due-process and more "guilty by default" type systems that you then need to prove innocence to rebut.
- warkdarrior 2y agoAnd that assumes that the Western owners of those systems have any reason to listen to you, the one raising the complaint. How would they check that you are not lying?