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> the part of my text you declined to quote Okay? Would you feel better if I quoted the whole thing? > I feel like the part of my text you declined to quote "

> the part of my text you declined to quote Okay? Would you feel better if I quoted the whole thing? > I feel like the part of my text you declined to quote "you needed to use their wizards. " clarifies things, or at least the context. I don't have specific examples because it's been like 15 years since I played with it, although Upstart, their own gui environment, and snaps are all probably at least loosely related examples. I have used Ubuntu a very long time, and I don't remember having to use a wizard for anything. Also, upstart is no longer a thing. It definitely didn't require a wizard to use. Additionally, snaps didn't exist 15 years ago.

kennysoona 2y ago
> Okay? Would you feel better if I quoted the whole thing? It's just weird to omit the part of my text that clarifies what I was talking about in your quote to then ask what it is I'm talking about. > I have used Ubuntu a very long time, and I don't remember having to use a wizard for anything. I mean, there definitely are some wizards baked in just for simple stuff, so that's certainly odd. Even Debian has a few wizards. Wizards are not an inherently bad thing that you need to deny their existence in ubuntu completely, lol. > Also, upstart is no longer a thing. It definitely didn't require a wizard to use. Additionally, snaps didn't exist 15 years ago. Upstart no longer being a thing and snaps not existing 15 years ago are very, very, very much irrelevant to the point was making. which I think you knew and you're choosing to be very pedantic because you feel the need to defend the software you like and have been using for 20 years. The point was just to give light examples of Ubuntu-invented and made default solutions to things that require learning the 'ubuntu way' of doing things and are sometimes hidden behind abstraction. The reason my parent comment was upvoted was because the people that agreed understood the gist of what I was saying. I suspect you do as well, you just don't think my point is an issue because it hasn't affected your usage in any way. There's plenty of examples of what I refer to in this thread, including issues with configuring Unity, snaps being forced without user consent, mount output being unreadable, sys v init scripts hidden behind systemd unit files (which generally include there somewhere being a comment not to edit the file directly). People that just want something simple to use for browsing and office apps and maybe some development don't really care what they use as long as it's stable and don't tinker enough to run into the issues this stuff causes. You probably would have been equally happy on Fedora.
- ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago
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  - kennysoona 2y ago
    You seemed to be being antagonistic towards the claims that were made. In any event I reiterated examples and provided clarification in my last reply.

kennysoona 2y ago

> Okay? Would you feel better if I quoted the whole thing? It's just weird to omit the part of my text that clarifies what I was talking about in your quote to then ask what it is I'm talking about. > I have used Ubuntu a very long time, and I don't remember having to use a wizard for anything. I mean, there definitely are some wizards baked in just for simple stuff, so that's certainly odd. Even Debian has a few wizards. Wizards are not an inherently bad thing that you need to deny their existence in ubuntu completely, lol. > Also, upstart is no longer a thing. It definitely didn't require a wizard to use. Additionally, snaps didn't exist 15 years ago. Upstart no longer being a thing and snaps not existing 15 years ago are very, very, very much irrelevant to the point was making. which I think you knew and you're choosing to be very pedantic because you feel the need to defend the software you like and have been using for 20 years. The point was just to give light examples of Ubuntu-invented and made default solutions to things that require learning the 'ubuntu way' of doing things and are sometimes hidden behind abstraction. The reason my parent comment was upvoted was because the people that agreed understood the gist of what I was saying. I suspect you do as well, you just don't think my point is an issue because it hasn't affected your usage in any way. There's plenty of examples of what I refer to in this thread, including issues with configuring Unity, snaps being forced without user consent, mount output being unreadable, sys v init scripts hidden behind systemd unit files (which generally include there somewhere being a comment not to edit the file directly). People that just want something simple to use for browsing and office apps and maybe some development don't really care what they use as long as it's stable and don't tinker enough to run into the issues this stuff causes. You probably would have been equally happy on Fedora.

ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago
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- kennysoona 2y ago
  You seemed to be being antagonistic towards the claims that were made. In any event I reiterated examples and provided clarification in my last reply.