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> “I know green is good, but we’ve got to move slowly,” Monterey County Supervisor Glenn Church told The Times. “What we’re doing with this technology is way ah

> “I know green is good, but we’ve got to move slowly,” Monterey County Supervisor Glenn Church told The Times. “What we’re doing with this technology is way ahead of government regulations and ahead of the industry’s ability to control it.” Maybe government can work together with companies to find a solution instead of forcing a slowdown and bringing in the regulations hammer?

PaulHoule 2y ago
I think we need a better battery chemistry for grid scale batteries when it comes down to it.
- philipkglass 2y ago
  I think that we already have one: lithium-iron phosphate (LFP). This fire was at a facility that used nickel manganese cobalt (NMC) cathode chemistry in an unusual indoor housing. https://www.energy-storage.news/fire-at-moss-landing-energy-storage-facility-what-we-know-so-far/ https://www.energy-storage.news/fire-at-moss-landing-energy-... It is [Moss Landing] Phase 1, the battery-within-a-building, that has burned down. According to Vistra representatives, neither Phase 2 or Phase 3, nor the legacy CCGT plant were caught up in the fire. Phase 1 was equipped with nickel manganese cobalt (NMC) chemistry batteries provided by LG Energy Solution (LG ES) and mounted in the LG ES’s TR1300 Transportable Rack. ... ESRG’s Nick Warner said that MOSS300 was built before California fire codes were updated to encompass large-scale battery storage and today’s product standards and certifications were in place for BESS equipment and installation. “I think the main takeaway here is that while we should learn the lessons we can learn, I think it’s such a unique case that it’s not going to have a big impact on how we’re doing energy storage otherwise because best practice and codes have evolved so far from there, we would never do something like MOSS300 again anyway.” Others have commented that the industry today has already largely moved away from NMC chemistry batteries to lithium iron phosphate (LFP) for stationary BESS applications. While LFP, like NMC, can go into thermal runaway, it does have a higher thermal runaway onset temperature, Drew Leibowitz, managing director at BESS consultancy Powerswitch, commented on business networking site LinkedIn. LFP now accounts for more than 80% of battery storage projects, Leibowitz wrote. “Indoor BESS projects are rarely built today, partially because of the fear that fire can spread throughout the system unchecked. Instead, most new installations are outdoor, pad-mounted systems which make fires less likely to spread,” Leibowitz also wrote.

PaulHoule 2y ago

I think we need a better battery chemistry for grid scale batteries when it comes down to it.

philipkglass 2y ago
I think that we already have one: lithium-iron phosphate (LFP). This fire was at a facility that used nickel manganese cobalt (NMC) cathode chemistry in an unusual indoor housing. https://www.energy-storage.news/fire-at-moss-landing-energy-storage-facility-what-we-know-so-far/ https://www.energy-storage.news/fire-at-moss-landing-energy-... It is [Moss Landing] Phase 1, the battery-within-a-building, that has burned down. According to Vistra representatives, neither Phase 2 or Phase 3, nor the legacy CCGT plant were caught up in the fire. Phase 1 was equipped with nickel manganese cobalt (NMC) chemistry batteries provided by LG Energy Solution (LG ES) and mounted in the LG ES’s TR1300 Transportable Rack. ... ESRG’s Nick Warner said that MOSS300 was built before California fire codes were updated to encompass large-scale battery storage and today’s product standards and certifications were in place for BESS equipment and installation. “I think the main takeaway here is that while we should learn the lessons we can learn, I think it’s such a unique case that it’s not going to have a big impact on how we’re doing energy storage otherwise because best practice and codes have evolved so far from there, we would never do something like MOSS300 again anyway.” Others have commented that the industry today has already largely moved away from NMC chemistry batteries to lithium iron phosphate (LFP) for stationary BESS applications. While LFP, like NMC, can go into thermal runaway, it does have a higher thermal runaway onset temperature, Drew Leibowitz, managing director at BESS consultancy Powerswitch, commented on business networking site LinkedIn. LFP now accounts for more than 80% of battery storage projects, Leibowitz wrote. “Indoor BESS projects are rarely built today, partially because of the fear that fire can spread throughout the system unchecked. Instead, most new installations are outdoor, pad-mounted systems which make fires less likely to spread,” Leibowitz also wrote.