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> In France public service employees have a very high level of protection (they're very hard to fire), and are legally allowed to disobey "obviously illegal" or
by thaumasiotes 2y ago
> In France public service employees have a very high level of protection (they're very hard to fire), and are legally allowed to disobey "obviously illegal" orders
This would seem to imply that a French public servant who obeys an "obviously illegal" order is both knowingly (it's obvious) and willfully (there's no requirement to obey) breaking the law.
What are the penalties for that?
- byroot 2y ago> knowingly (it's obvious) The term used in French isn't quite as strong as "obviously", it's "manifestement illegal". See Wordreference: https://www.wordreference.com/fren/manifestement https://www.wordreference.com/fren/manifestement . Apparently English has "manifestly" but I never heard it so unsure if it's a good translation. > What are the penalties for that? I had to look it up, it seems you're considered complicit in whatever the order was about. Basically the "Nuremberg defense" AKA "I just followed orders" is void here.
- thaumasiotes 2y agoThanks for the response. "Manifestly" seems fine as a translation, though in English I would consider it to be about equally as strong as "obvious", or possibly stronger because it's an unusual, formal-sounding word that might suggest you're trying to sound emphatic. crowdsourced wiktionary ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/manifestly https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/manifestly ): > In a manifest manner; obviously. curated Merriam-Webster (the standard dictionary of American English; https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/manifestly https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/manifestly ): > easily understood or recognized by the mind : obvious
- px1999 2y agodevoir de désobéissance is _duty_ of disobedience. If they choose to follow orders they know are illegal they can be personally liable.