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I wouldn't buy a Tesla today if it alchemically transmuted atmospheric carbon dioxide into an ounce of gold that pooped out of the front console every 1000 mile

I wouldn't buy a Tesla today if it alchemically transmuted atmospheric carbon dioxide into an ounce of gold that pooped out of the front console every 1000 miles. Most of Tesla's target market does not tolerate Nazism, which Elon Musk is clearly and obviously signaling. That doesn't even touch on his enthusiastic role in an administration threatening EU members states, some of our historically closest allies in the past century, with military action. There are great Chinese EVs, even if Musk weren't behaving this way. Of course demand in the EU is cratering. Teslas valuation is ridiculous, their reported earnings quality is lousy, and their sales comps are deteriorating. edit: sorry, I'm blocked from further replies and will not be engaging further. The Nazi salute was more than enough, but his Afd speech and Gray/Abramson's comments about his subsequent Auschwitz visit added to the evidence.

schmidp 2y ago
That’s ridiculous. Can you name examples where he is signaling Nazism (except the Salut). Have you watched any long form podcasts of him?
- lenerdenator 2y ago
  Besides this? [0] [0]https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/16/elon-musk-antisemitic-tweet-adl https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/16/elon-musk...
  - purplethinking 2y ago
    I mean, you label ADL as a Nazi party. Then you label Musk as Nazi by association. But if you actually look at ADL they are not Nazis. Here's an interesting things I saw just today: https://x.com/derJamesJackson/status/1887425955494268997 https://x.com/derJamesJackson/status/1887425955494268997 So gays are supporting a Nazi party?
    - lenerdenator 2y ago
      I'm well aware that the Anti-Defamation League is not the Nazi party and does not hold far-right tendencies. I'm not getting your point.
- teejmya 2y ago
  "When did he do Nazi things? Oh by the way, that time he did a Nazi salute on live TV doesn't count for some reason."
- Philpax 2y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk#Race_and_white_nationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk#Race_and_wh...
  - formerly_proven 2y ago
    "Elon Musk straight-arm gesture controversy" is... a lemma to describe that occurrence, for sure.
- tristanb 2y ago
  That is such a wonderful quote from you asking if you can name examples of him signalling Nazism, apart from the Nazi salute he gave three times to the entire crowd of the inauguration and on national tv.
- NomDePlum 2y ago
  Promoting far-right German populist party is a signal surely? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/25/elon-musk-makes-surprise-appearance-at-afd-event-in-eastern-germany https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/25/elon-musk... Similarly, funding far-right fascists such as Tommy Robinson https://www.politico.eu/article/elon-musk-fund-uk-far-right-ringleader-tommy-robinson-legal-fight/ https://www.politico.eu/article/elon-musk-fund-uk-far-right-... in the UK another. I know less about the AfD but anyone supporting Robinson is definitely in the fascist leaning camp.
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  Dude literally had to go tour death camps to do a PR rehab after endorsing antisemitic conspiracies. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68055368 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68055368
  - ZeroGravitas 2y ago
    And the wife of an elderly holocaust survivor being honoured during that visit called him sociopathic as he seemed unmoved by the experience and more interested in a photo op.
- anonshadow 2y ago
  Supporting Afd neo-Nazi party shouldn't count right. For clarity, leader of the AfD party has twice been fined by a German court for using banned Nazi slogan. Musk thinks, keep on giving these guys comfort and support.. no one is gonna notice.
  - akimbostrawman 2y ago
    Getting fined by the speech police isn't the gotcha you think it is
mullen 2y ago
Replacing a Tesla with a Chinese EV is like replacing a person who wants to commit genocide with a person who actually commits genocide. Chinese EV's do not have any moral superiority over Tesla and I would not be caught driving either.
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hilux 2y ago
If hippies no longer buy Tesla, then maybe all of the MAGA will, or maybe Trump will require the USPS or the federal government or any company wanting to do business with the federal government to buy Tesla. Anything you can imagine is possible.
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- The_Colonel 2y ago
  I think that even (most) conservatives don't want their car to be a political statement.
  - hilux 2y ago
    If cars were not statements of the owner's ego or personality or brand, everyone would be driving either an unwashed Toyota Corolla or (if 3+ kids) a minivan. But they're not.

schmidp 2y ago

That’s ridiculous. Can you name examples where he is signaling Nazism (except the Salut). Have you watched any long form podcasts of him?

lenerdenator 2y ago
Besides this? [0] [0]https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/16/elon-musk-antisemitic-tweet-adl https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/16/elon-musk...
- purplethinking 2y ago
  I mean, you label ADL as a Nazi party. Then you label Musk as Nazi by association. But if you actually look at ADL they are not Nazis. Here's an interesting things I saw just today: https://x.com/derJamesJackson/status/1887425955494268997 https://x.com/derJamesJackson/status/1887425955494268997 So gays are supporting a Nazi party?
  - lenerdenator 2y ago
    I'm well aware that the Anti-Defamation League is not the Nazi party and does not hold far-right tendencies. I'm not getting your point.
teejmya 2y ago
"When did he do Nazi things? Oh by the way, that time he did a Nazi salute on live TV doesn't count for some reason."
Philpax 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk#Race_and_white_nationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk#Race_and_wh...
- formerly_proven 2y ago
  "Elon Musk straight-arm gesture controversy" is... a lemma to describe that occurrence, for sure.
tristanb 2y ago
That is such a wonderful quote from you asking if you can name examples of him signalling Nazism, apart from the Nazi salute he gave three times to the entire crowd of the inauguration and on national tv.
NomDePlum 2y ago
Promoting far-right German populist party is a signal surely? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/25/elon-musk-makes-surprise-appearance-at-afd-event-in-eastern-germany https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/25/elon-musk... Similarly, funding far-right fascists such as Tommy Robinson https://www.politico.eu/article/elon-musk-fund-uk-far-right-ringleader-tommy-robinson-legal-fight/ https://www.politico.eu/article/elon-musk-fund-uk-far-right-... in the UK another. I know less about the AfD but anyone supporting Robinson is definitely in the fascist leaning camp.
_DeadFred_ 2y ago
Dude literally had to go tour death camps to do a PR rehab after endorsing antisemitic conspiracies. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68055368 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68055368
- ZeroGravitas 2y ago
  And the wife of an elderly holocaust survivor being honoured during that visit called him sociopathic as he seemed unmoved by the experience and more interested in a photo op.
anonshadow 2y ago
Supporting Afd neo-Nazi party shouldn't count right. For clarity, leader of the AfD party has twice been fined by a German court for using banned Nazi slogan. Musk thinks, keep on giving these guys comfort and support.. no one is gonna notice.
- akimbostrawman 2y ago
  Getting fined by the speech police isn't the gotcha you think it is

mullen 2y ago

Replacing a Tesla with a Chinese EV is like replacing a person who wants to commit genocide with a person who actually commits genocide. Chinese EV's do not have any moral superiority over Tesla and I would not be caught driving either.

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hilux 2y ago

If hippies no longer buy Tesla, then maybe all of the MAGA will, or maybe Trump will require the USPS or the federal government or any company wanting to do business with the federal government to buy Tesla. Anything you can imagine is possible.

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The_Colonel 2y ago
I think that even (most) conservatives don't want their car to be a political statement.
- hilux 2y ago
  If cars were not statements of the owner's ego or personality or brand, everyone would be driving either an unwashed Toyota Corolla or (if 3+ kids) a minivan. But they're not.