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I live in San Mateo County, CA and in my street 3 neighbors have sold their Teslas within the last 8 weeks and switched to other brands.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> I live in San Mateo County, CA Jackson Hole, Wyoming. One sold (Model X), one scrapped (Cybertruck). Oddly, opposite ends of the political spectrum. Both because of Musk’s new brand.
- declan_roberts 2y ago
  Where do I buy one of these cheap Teslas people are selling for political reasons?
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Where do I buy one of these cheap Teslas people are selling for political reasons? Wherever your locale buys and sells used cars. The price of used Teslas has been dropping at a ~24% annualised rate over the last 30 to 90 days [1]. [1] https://www.cargurus.com/research/price-trends/Tesla-m112 https://www.cargurus.com/research/price-trends/Tesla-m112
  - ahahahahah 2y ago
    Pretty much anywhere you would buy any other used car. Model 3/y used prices are down 20% yoy (compared to ~4% all cars).
  - olyjohn 2y ago
    There have been cheap used Teslas for years. Just was searching Cragslist a few months ago, and found Model Ss for $15-20k.
- gnfargbl 2y ago
  "Republicans buy sneakers, too." I wonder how long it will take the Tesla board to fully internalise the meaning of that quote.
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    https://www.pewresearch.org/?attachment_id=179415 https://www.pewresearch.org/?attachment_id=179415 (draw your attention to the center of the graphic, Republican vs Democrat, as it relates to who would consider purchasing an EV) About 3 in 10 Americans would seriously consider buying an electric vehicle - https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/06/27/about-3-in-10-americans-would-seriously-consider-buying-an-electric-vehicle/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/06/27/about-3-i... - June 27, 2024
    - gnfargbl 2y ago
      The graphic shows that 85% of the addressable market favour party A and 15% party B. My point is that once you strongly align your brand with either party, you alienate a decent chunk of your customers. If you have to choose, then in this situation choosing A is much better than B, but why alienate any of your customers like this?
      - toomuchtodo 2y ago
        Because Musk cannot help himself emotionally. He cannot quell the desire for more; more power, more control, more status seeking. https://insideevs.com/news/749741/tesla-ev-buyers-favorability-rating/ https://insideevs.com/news/749741/tesla-ev-buyers-favorabili...
spike021 2y ago
I live in the south bay and my apartment complex parking is still just as full of Teslas. so take of that what you will.
dagmx 2y ago
I’ll be selling our Tesla as soon as other brands have NACS. Specifically Rivian is what I’m looking for and have a preorder on an R2
- 420official 2y ago
  The 2025 model of the Hyundai Ioniq 5 has NACS and is my favorite alternative in terms of looks, features, and price. Rivian has been in a different price category so I have a hard time believing the $45k starting price.
- ElijahLynn 2y ago
  Yup, We are waiting for the rivian to have NACS as well. I was considering the idea of buying a used Tesla and just ripping the emblems off and putting a wrap on it. I don't like car models and brands on cars anyways. But yeah, probably will definitely get a rivian, especially the new R3! I still don't know if the heat pump will be as good as Tesla's but it doesn't matter. I don't respect Elon anymore. I still do definitely admire some of his technical talents and ability to ship products. I don't think just cuz a person does a bad thing means they're a bad person.
  - hedora 2y ago
    Rivian already supports NACS dongles. Realistically, you’ll want CCS and NACS for the foreseeable future.
danans 2y ago
There does appear to be a social cost to driving a Tesla in blue-leaning areas these days. Nothing overt, but I've heard people who bought them without knowing who Musk is (and don't agree with him) now openly saying "never-again". If the used Tesla market gets flooded, will there be consumer demand for those used Teslas? I suspect that most will be in suburban red-leaning areas in areas that aren't openly EV-technology hostile (something like the Dallas or Atlanta suburbs). The problem for Tesla is that unlike the prestige effect of used luxury car sales driving new luxury car sales (i.e. BMW, Benz, etc), these cars are being disposed of because they are becoming less desirable. The target market for new Teslas seems to be shrinking among the primary populations who both want and can afford EVs.
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JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> I live in San Mateo County, CA Jackson Hole, Wyoming. One sold (Model X), one scrapped (Cybertruck). Oddly, opposite ends of the political spectrum. Both because of Musk’s new brand.

declan_roberts 2y ago
Where do I buy one of these cheap Teslas people are selling for political reasons?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Where do I buy one of these cheap Teslas people are selling for political reasons? Wherever your locale buys and sells used cars. The price of used Teslas has been dropping at a ~24% annualised rate over the last 30 to 90 days [1]. [1] https://www.cargurus.com/research/price-trends/Tesla-m112 https://www.cargurus.com/research/price-trends/Tesla-m112
- ahahahahah 2y ago
  Pretty much anywhere you would buy any other used car. Model 3/y used prices are down 20% yoy (compared to ~4% all cars).
- olyjohn 2y ago
  There have been cheap used Teslas for years. Just was searching Cragslist a few months ago, and found Model Ss for $15-20k.
gnfargbl 2y ago
"Republicans buy sneakers, too." I wonder how long it will take the Tesla board to fully internalise the meaning of that quote.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  https://www.pewresearch.org/?attachment_id=179415 https://www.pewresearch.org/?attachment_id=179415 (draw your attention to the center of the graphic, Republican vs Democrat, as it relates to who would consider purchasing an EV) About 3 in 10 Americans would seriously consider buying an electric vehicle - https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/06/27/about-3-in-10-americans-would-seriously-consider-buying-an-electric-vehicle/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/06/27/about-3-i... - June 27, 2024
  - gnfargbl 2y ago
    The graphic shows that 85% of the addressable market favour party A and 15% party B. My point is that once you strongly align your brand with either party, you alienate a decent chunk of your customers. If you have to choose, then in this situation choosing A is much better than B, but why alienate any of your customers like this?
    - toomuchtodo 2y ago
      Because Musk cannot help himself emotionally. He cannot quell the desire for more; more power, more control, more status seeking. https://insideevs.com/news/749741/tesla-ev-buyers-favorability-rating/ https://insideevs.com/news/749741/tesla-ev-buyers-favorabili...

spike021 2y ago

I live in the south bay and my apartment complex parking is still just as full of Teslas. so take of that what you will.

dagmx 2y ago

I’ll be selling our Tesla as soon as other brands have NACS. Specifically Rivian is what I’m looking for and have a preorder on an R2

420official 2y ago
The 2025 model of the Hyundai Ioniq 5 has NACS and is my favorite alternative in terms of looks, features, and price. Rivian has been in a different price category so I have a hard time believing the $45k starting price.
ElijahLynn 2y ago
Yup, We are waiting for the rivian to have NACS as well. I was considering the idea of buying a used Tesla and just ripping the emblems off and putting a wrap on it. I don't like car models and brands on cars anyways. But yeah, probably will definitely get a rivian, especially the new R3! I still don't know if the heat pump will be as good as Tesla's but it doesn't matter. I don't respect Elon anymore. I still do definitely admire some of his technical talents and ability to ship products. I don't think just cuz a person does a bad thing means they're a bad person.
- hedora 2y ago
  Rivian already supports NACS dongles. Realistically, you’ll want CCS and NACS for the foreseeable future.

danans 2y ago

There does appear to be a social cost to driving a Tesla in blue-leaning areas these days. Nothing overt, but I've heard people who bought them without knowing who Musk is (and don't agree with him) now openly saying "never-again". If the used Tesla market gets flooded, will there be consumer demand for those used Teslas? I suspect that most will be in suburban red-leaning areas in areas that aren't openly EV-technology hostile (something like the Dallas or Atlanta suburbs). The problem for Tesla is that unlike the prestige effect of used luxury car sales driving new luxury car sales (i.e. BMW, Benz, etc), these cars are being disposed of because they are becoming less desirable. The target market for new Teslas seems to be shrinking among the primary populations who both want and can afford EVs.

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