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What is the model I get at gemini.google.com (i.e. through my Workspace subscription)? It says "Gemini Advanced" but there are no other details. No model select

What is the model I get at gemini.google.com (i.e. through my Workspace subscription)? It says "Gemini Advanced" but there are no other details. No model selection option. I find the lack of clarity very frustrating. If I want to try Google's "best" model, should I be purchasing something? AI Studio seems focused around building an LLM wrapper app, but I just want something to answer my questions. Edit: what I've learned through Googling: (1) if you search "is gemini advanced included with workspace" you get an AI overview answer that seems to be incorrect, since they now include Gemini Advanced (?) with every workspace subscription.(2) a page exists telling you to buy the add-on (Gemini for Google Workspace), but clicking on it says this is no longer available because of the above. (3) gemini.google.com says "Gemini Advanced" (no idea which model) at the top, but gemini.google.com/advanced redirects me to what I have deduced is the consumer site (?) which tells me that Gemini Advanced is another $20/month The problem, Google PMs if you're reading this, is that the gemini.google.com page does not have ANY information about what is going on. What model is this? What are the limits? Do I get access to "Deep Research"? Does this subscription give me something in aistudio? What about code artifacts? The settings option tells me I can change to dark mode (thanks!). Edit 2: I decided to use aistudio.google.com since it has a dropdown for me on my workspace plan.

ysofunny 2y ago
hmm did you try clickin where it says 'gemini advanced'? I find it opens a drop down
- singhrac 2y ago
  I just tried it but nothing happens when I click on that. You're talking about the thing on the upper left next to the open/close menu button?
  - easychris 2y ago
    Yes, very frustrating for me as well. I consider now purchasing Gemini Advance with another Non-Workspace account. :-( I also found this [1]: “ Important: A chat can only use one model. If you switch between models in an existing chat, it automatically starts a new chat. If you’re using Gemini Apps with a work or school Google Account, you can’t switch between models. Learn more about using Gemini Apps with a work or school account.” I have no idea why the workspace accounts are such restricted. [1] https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/14517446?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/14517446?hl=en&co=G...
rickette 2y ago
"what model are you using, exact name please" is usually the first prompt I enter when trying out something.
- lxgr 2y ago
  You'd be surprised at how confused some models are about who they are.
  - freedomben 2y ago
    Indeed, asking the model which model it is might be one of the worst ways to find that information out
- mynameisvlad 2y ago
  Gemini 2.0 Flash Thinking responds with > I am currently running on the Gemini model. Gemini 1.5 Flash responds with > I'm using Gemini 2.0 Flash. I'm not even going to go on a limb here and say that question isn't going to give you an accurate response.
  - jug 2y ago
    Yeah, they need something in their system prompt to tell their name or else they have absolutely no idea what they are and will hallucinate to 100% based on training data. If you're lucky, the AI just might guess right based on these circumstances. It's not unusual for AI's to think they're OpenAI/ChatGPT because it's become so popular that it's leaked into the buzz it's trained on.
  - _ea1k 2y ago
    You'd think they would include this kind of detail in the training set, but it gets overlooked.
- deleted 2y ago
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miyuru 2y ago
changes must be rolling out now, I can see 3 Gemini 2.0 models in the dropdown, with blue "new" badges. screenshot: https://beeimg.com/images/g25051981724.png https://beeimg.com/images/g25051981724.png
- singhrac 2y ago
  This works on my personal Google account, but not on my workspace one. So I guess there's no access to 2.0 Pro then? I'm ok trying out Flash for now and see if it fixes the mistakes I ran into yesterday. Edit: it does not. It continues to miss the fact that I'm (incorrectly) passing in a scaled query tensor to scaled_dot_product_attention. o3-mini-high gets this right.
  - vel0city 2y ago
    As someone with over a decade of Google Apps management history, my experiences is Workspace customers are practically always the last to get the shiny new features. Quite frustrating.
    - basch 2y ago
      Isn't that generally how it goes? Windows Vista was tested on consumers to make 7 Enterprise appropriate?
      - OccamsMirror 2y ago
        Except with Google you might never get the feature. Still can't manage Google Workspace Calendar with Google Home, for instance. A feature that's been available for personal accounts for years.
        glonq 2y ago
        can't buy a youtube premium family subscription either, which sucks! also can't leave reviews in the google play store.
    - 2y ago
behnamoh 2y ago
The number one reason I don't use Google Gemini is because they truncate the input text. So I can't simply paste long documents or other kinds of things as raw text in the prompt box.
- radeeyate 2y ago
  If you have the need to paste long documents, why don't you just upload the file at that point?
  - heavyarms 2y ago
    The last time I checked (a few days ago) it only had an "Upload Image" option... and I have been playing with Gemini on and off for months and I have never been able to actually upload an image. It's basically what I've come to expect from most Google products at this point: half-baked, buggy, confusing, not intuitive.
    - rezonant 2y ago
      It definitely has the ability to upload normal files, the + button has several options. If you don't have it, you might be in a Google feature flag jail-- this happens frustratingly often, where 99.9% of users have a feature flag enabled but your account just gets stuck with the flag off with no way to resolve it. It's the absolute worst part about Google.
  - Xiol32 2y ago
    Friction.
    - johnisgood 2y ago
      Claude automatically uploads it as "Pasted text" if it is too long that you paste into the textarea. Works either way anyways.
  - behnamoh 2y ago
    Because sometimes the text is the result of my whisper transcription.
nudpiedo 2y ago
Today I wasted 1 hour looking in how to use or where to find "Deep Research”. I could not. I have the business workplace standard, which contains the Gemini advance, not sure whether I need a VPN, pay a separate AI product, or even pay a higher workplace tier or what the heck is going on at all. There are so many confusing products interrelated and lack of focus everywhere that I really do not know anymore whether it is worth as an AI provider.
- gerad 2y ago
  You need to pay for Gemini to access it. In my experience, it's not worth it. So much potential in the experience, but the AI isn't good enough. I'm curious about the OpenAI alternative, but am not willing to pay $200/month.
  - diamondfist25 2y ago
    Deep research in chatgpt pro is nice. It’ll go fetch api docs (and github examples) and make your code more correct. Saved me the headache of manually going thru pages of doc
  - nudpiedo 2y ago
    if it would make whole market research on products and companies I would gladly pay for it... but a bit unsure from Europe where it seems to be everything restricted due political boundaries.
    - A_D_E_P_T 2y ago
      I have OpenAI Deep Research access in Europe and it is extremely good. It's also particularly good at niche market research in products and companies. Happy to give you a demo. If you want to send me a prompt, I can share a link to the resulting output.
      - nudpiedo 2y ago
        I wish to know how to access it for myself, but how may I contact you? is it chatGPT Plus, Pro or something else? Where are you based UK or Germany? I was hoping for a market research on SysML tooling.
coolgoose 2y ago
Plus one on this it's so stupid, but also mandatory in a way. Sigh
vldmrs 2y ago
This is funny how bad UI is on some of websites which are considered the best. Today I tried to find prices for Mistral models but I couldn’t. Their prices page leads to 404…
- PhilippGille 2y ago
  Just in case you're still interested in their pricing, it's towards the bottom of [1], section "How to buy", when changing the selection from "Self-hosted" to "Mistral Cloud". [1] https://mistral.ai/en/products/la-plateforme https://mistral.ai/en/products/la-plateforme
- behnamoh 2y ago
  if only these models were good at web development and could be used in agentic frameworks to build high quality website... wait...
  - incrudible 2y ago
    They aren’t.
    - behnamoh 2y ago
      yes, I was being sarcastic.
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pjc50 2y ago
> you get an AI overview answer that seems to be incorrect It seems AI cannot yet defeat the obfuscation of its own product managers. Great advert for AI, that.
radicality 2y ago
Google workspace is always such a mess. I also have Google workspace, and it did let me do some chatting in the Gemini app few days ago. No idea what model, and of course there was no dropdown. Just today I wanted to continue a conversation from two days ago, and after writing to the chat, I just get back an error “This chat was created with Gemini Advanced. Get it now to continue this chat.” And I don’t even know if that’s a bug, or some expected sales funnel where they gave me a nibble of it for free and now want me to pay up.

ysofunny 2y ago

hmm did you try clickin where it says 'gemini advanced'? I find it opens a drop down

singhrac 2y ago
I just tried it but nothing happens when I click on that. You're talking about the thing on the upper left next to the open/close menu button?
- easychris 2y ago
  Yes, very frustrating for me as well. I consider now purchasing Gemini Advance with another Non-Workspace account. :-( I also found this [1]: “ Important: A chat can only use one model. If you switch between models in an existing chat, it automatically starts a new chat. If you’re using Gemini Apps with a work or school Google Account, you can’t switch between models. Learn more about using Gemini Apps with a work or school account.” I have no idea why the workspace accounts are such restricted. [1] https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/14517446?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/14517446?hl=en&co=G...

rickette 2y ago

"what model are you using, exact name please" is usually the first prompt I enter when trying out something.

lxgr 2y ago
You'd be surprised at how confused some models are about who they are.
- freedomben 2y ago
  Indeed, asking the model which model it is might be one of the worst ways to find that information out
mynameisvlad 2y ago
Gemini 2.0 Flash Thinking responds with > I am currently running on the Gemini model. Gemini 1.5 Flash responds with > I'm using Gemini 2.0 Flash. I'm not even going to go on a limb here and say that question isn't going to give you an accurate response.
- jug 2y ago
  Yeah, they need something in their system prompt to tell their name or else they have absolutely no idea what they are and will hallucinate to 100% based on training data. If you're lucky, the AI just might guess right based on these circumstances. It's not unusual for AI's to think they're OpenAI/ChatGPT because it's become so popular that it's leaked into the buzz it's trained on.
- _ea1k 2y ago
  You'd think they would include this kind of detail in the training set, but it gets overlooked.
deleted 2y ago
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miyuru 2y ago

changes must be rolling out now, I can see 3 Gemini 2.0 models in the dropdown, with blue "new" badges. screenshot: https://beeimg.com/images/g25051981724.png https://beeimg.com/images/g25051981724.png

singhrac 2y ago
This works on my personal Google account, but not on my workspace one. So I guess there's no access to 2.0 Pro then? I'm ok trying out Flash for now and see if it fixes the mistakes I ran into yesterday. Edit: it does not. It continues to miss the fact that I'm (incorrectly) passing in a scaled query tensor to scaled_dot_product_attention. o3-mini-high gets this right.
- vel0city 2y ago
  As someone with over a decade of Google Apps management history, my experiences is Workspace customers are practically always the last to get the shiny new features. Quite frustrating.
  - basch 2y ago
    Isn't that generally how it goes? Windows Vista was tested on consumers to make 7 Enterprise appropriate?
    - OccamsMirror 2y ago
      Except with Google you might never get the feature. Still can't manage Google Workspace Calendar with Google Home, for instance. A feature that's been available for personal accounts for years.
      - glonq 2y ago
        can't buy a youtube premium family subscription either, which sucks! also can't leave reviews in the google play store.
  - 2y ago

behnamoh 2y ago

The number one reason I don't use Google Gemini is because they truncate the input text. So I can't simply paste long documents or other kinds of things as raw text in the prompt box.

radeeyate 2y ago
If you have the need to paste long documents, why don't you just upload the file at that point?
- heavyarms 2y ago
  The last time I checked (a few days ago) it only had an "Upload Image" option... and I have been playing with Gemini on and off for months and I have never been able to actually upload an image. It's basically what I've come to expect from most Google products at this point: half-baked, buggy, confusing, not intuitive.
  - rezonant 2y ago
    It definitely has the ability to upload normal files, the + button has several options. If you don't have it, you might be in a Google feature flag jail-- this happens frustratingly often, where 99.9% of users have a feature flag enabled but your account just gets stuck with the flag off with no way to resolve it. It's the absolute worst part about Google.
- Xiol32 2y ago
  Friction.
  - johnisgood 2y ago
    Claude automatically uploads it as "Pasted text" if it is too long that you paste into the textarea. Works either way anyways.
- behnamoh 2y ago
  Because sometimes the text is the result of my whisper transcription.

nudpiedo 2y ago

Today I wasted 1 hour looking in how to use or where to find "Deep Research”. I could not. I have the business workplace standard, which contains the Gemini advance, not sure whether I need a VPN, pay a separate AI product, or even pay a higher workplace tier or what the heck is going on at all. There are so many confusing products interrelated and lack of focus everywhere that I really do not know anymore whether it is worth as an AI provider.

gerad 2y ago
You need to pay for Gemini to access it. In my experience, it's not worth it. So much potential in the experience, but the AI isn't good enough. I'm curious about the OpenAI alternative, but am not willing to pay $200/month.
- diamondfist25 2y ago
  Deep research in chatgpt pro is nice. It’ll go fetch api docs (and github examples) and make your code more correct. Saved me the headache of manually going thru pages of doc
- nudpiedo 2y ago
  if it would make whole market research on products and companies I would gladly pay for it... but a bit unsure from Europe where it seems to be everything restricted due political boundaries.
  - A_D_E_P_T 2y ago
    I have OpenAI Deep Research access in Europe and it is extremely good. It's also particularly good at niche market research in products and companies. Happy to give you a demo. If you want to send me a prompt, I can share a link to the resulting output.
    - nudpiedo 2y ago
      I wish to know how to access it for myself, but how may I contact you? is it chatGPT Plus, Pro or something else? Where are you based UK or Germany? I was hoping for a market research on SysML tooling.

coolgoose 2y ago

Plus one on this it's so stupid, but also mandatory in a way. Sigh

vldmrs 2y ago

This is funny how bad UI is on some of websites which are considered the best. Today I tried to find prices for Mistral models but I couldn’t. Their prices page leads to 404…

PhilippGille 2y ago
Just in case you're still interested in their pricing, it's towards the bottom of [1], section "How to buy", when changing the selection from "Self-hosted" to "Mistral Cloud". [1] https://mistral.ai/en/products/la-plateforme https://mistral.ai/en/products/la-plateforme
behnamoh 2y ago
if only these models were good at web development and could be used in agentic frameworks to build high quality website... wait...
- incrudible 2y ago
  They aren’t.
  - behnamoh 2y ago
    yes, I was being sarcastic.

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pjc50 2y ago

> you get an AI overview answer that seems to be incorrect It seems AI cannot yet defeat the obfuscation of its own product managers. Great advert for AI, that.

radicality 2y ago

Google workspace is always such a mess. I also have Google workspace, and it did let me do some chatting in the Gemini app few days ago. No idea what model, and of course there was no dropdown. Just today I wanted to continue a conversation from two days ago, and after writing to the chat, I just get back an error “This chat was created with Gemini Advanced. Get it now to continue this chat.” And I don’t even know if that’s a bug, or some expected sales funnel where they gave me a nibble of it for free and now want me to pay up.