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> available via the Gemini API in Google AI Studio and Vertex AI. > Gemini 2.0, 2.0 Pro and 2.0 Pro Experimental, Gemini 2.0 Flash, Gemini 2.0 Flash Lite 3 d

> available via the Gemini API in Google AI Studio and Vertex AI. > Gemini 2.0, 2.0 Pro and 2.0 Pro Experimental, Gemini 2.0 Flash, Gemini 2.0 Flash Lite 3 different ways of accessing the API, more than 5 different but extremely similarly named models. Benchmarks only comparing to their own models. Can't be more "Googley"!

sho_hn 2y ago
I think this is a good summary: https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-developer-goog-blog-assets/images/Full_Chart_G2.0.original.png https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-developer-goog-blog-asse...
- vdfs 2y ago
  - Experimental™ - Preview™ - Coming soon™
  - esafak 2y ago
    Don't forget the OG, "Beta". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gmail#Extended_beta_phase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gmail#Extended_beta...
  - hoytschermerhrn 2y ago
    - Generally Available? Available?? Simply showing a checkmark??? - In Experimental? Coming soon?? Make it make sense.
llm_trw 2y ago
You missed the first sentence of the release: >In December, we kicked off the agentic era by releasing an experimental version of Gemini 2.0 Flash I guess I wasn't building AI agents in February last year.
- soulofmischief 2y ago
  Yeah some of us have been working on agents predominately for years now, but at least people are finally paying attention. Can't wait to be told how I'm following a hype cycle again.
raverbashing 2y ago
Honestly naming conventions in the AI world have been appalling regardless of the company
- belval 2y ago
  Google isn't even the worst in my opinion. From the top of my head Anthropic: Claude 1 Claude Instant 1 Claude 2 Claude Haiku 3 Claude Sonnet 3 Claude Opus 3 Claude Haiku 3.5 Claude Sonnet 3.5 Claude Sonnet 3.5v2 OpenAI: GPT-3.5 GPT-4 GPT-4o-2024-08-06 GPT-4o GPT-4o-mini o1 o3-mini o1-mini Fun times when you try to setup throughput provisioning.
  - jorvi 2y ago
    I don't understand why if they're gonna use shorthands to make the tech seem cooler, they can't at least use mnemonic shorthands. Imagine if it went like this: Mnemonics: m(ini), r(easoning), t(echnical) Claude 3m Claude 3mr Claude 3mt Claude 3mtr Claude 3r Claude 3t Claude 3tr
  - rfoo 2y ago
    It's GPT-3.5 GPT-4 GPT-4-turbo GPT-4o-2024-08-06 GPT-4o GPT-4o-mini o1-preview o1 (low) o1 (medium) o1 (high) o1-mini o3-mini (low) o3-mini (medium) o3-mini (high) At this pace we are going to get to USB 3.2 Gen 1 real fast.
  - pkaye 2y ago
    > GPT-4o-2024-08-06 GPT-4o From what I understand GPT-4o will map to the most recent generated model so it will change over time. The models with the date appended will not change over time.
- deleted 2y ago
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- jug 2y ago
  Google is the least confusing to me. Old school version number and Pro is better than Flash which is fast and for "simple" stuff (which can be effortless intermediate level coding at this point). OpenAI is crazy. There may be a day when we might have o5 that is reasoning and 5o that is not, and where they belong to different generations too, snd where "o" meant "Omni" despite o1-o3 not being audiovisual anymore like 4o. Anthropic crazy too. Sonnets and Haikus, just why... and a 3.5 Sonnet that was released in October that was better than 3.5 Sonnet. (Not a typo) And no one knows why there never was a 3.5 Opus.
seanhunter 2y ago
I don't know why you're finding it confusing. There's Duff, Duff Lite and now there's also all-new Duff Dry.
- whynotminot 2y ago
  I tend to prefer Duff Original Dry and Lite, but that’s just me
  - TiredOfLife 2y ago
    And all three filled from the same tube. That the widescreen version doesn't show because the top is cut off.
justanotheratom 2y ago
They actually have two "studios" Google AI Studio and Google Cloud Vertex AI Studio And both have their own documentation, different ways of "tuning" the model. Talk about shipping the org chart.
- arresin 2y ago
  > Talk about shipping the org chart. Good expression. I’ve been thinking about a way to say exactly this.
  - lelandfe 2y ago
    A pithy reworking of Conway's Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law
    - mhh__ 2y ago
      Subtle takeaway from that article is that he's stil alive and publishing stuff!
  - echelon 2y ago
    I love this phrase so much. Google still has some unsettled demons.
- jiggawatts 2y ago
  > Talk about shipping the org chart. To be fair, Microsoft has shipped like five AI portals in the last two years. Maybe four — I don’t even know any more. I’ve lost track of the renames and product (re)launches.
  - felixg3 2y ago
    They made a new one to unite them all: Microsoft Fabric. https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/
    - 2y ago
ssijak 2y ago
Working with google APIs is often an exercise in frustration. I like their base cloud offering the best actually, but their additional APIs can be all over the place. These AI related are the worst.
- mring33621 2y ago
  heuristic for Google Gemini API usage: if the model name contains '-exp' or '-preview', then API version is 'v1alpha' otherwise, use 'v1beta'
nitwit005 2y ago
Clearly, the next step is to rename one to "Google Chat".
- FleetAdmiralJa 2y ago
  And kill it the 10th time

sho_hn 2y ago

I think this is a good summary: https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-developer-goog-blog-assets/images/Full_Chart_G2.0.original.png https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-developer-goog-blog-asse...

vdfs 2y ago
- Experimental™ - Preview™ - Coming soon™
- esafak 2y ago
  Don't forget the OG, "Beta". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gmail#Extended_beta_phase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gmail#Extended_beta...
- hoytschermerhrn 2y ago
  - Generally Available? Available?? Simply showing a checkmark??? - In Experimental? Coming soon?? Make it make sense.

llm_trw 2y ago

You missed the first sentence of the release: >In December, we kicked off the agentic era by releasing an experimental version of Gemini 2.0 Flash I guess I wasn't building AI agents in February last year.

soulofmischief 2y ago
Yeah some of us have been working on agents predominately for years now, but at least people are finally paying attention. Can't wait to be told how I'm following a hype cycle again.

raverbashing 2y ago

Honestly naming conventions in the AI world have been appalling regardless of the company

belval 2y ago
Google isn't even the worst in my opinion. From the top of my head Anthropic: Claude 1 Claude Instant 1 Claude 2 Claude Haiku 3 Claude Sonnet 3 Claude Opus 3 Claude Haiku 3.5 Claude Sonnet 3.5 Claude Sonnet 3.5v2 OpenAI: GPT-3.5 GPT-4 GPT-4o-2024-08-06 GPT-4o GPT-4o-mini o1 o3-mini o1-mini Fun times when you try to setup throughput provisioning.
- jorvi 2y ago
  I don't understand why if they're gonna use shorthands to make the tech seem cooler, they can't at least use mnemonic shorthands. Imagine if it went like this: Mnemonics: m(ini), r(easoning), t(echnical) Claude 3m Claude 3mr Claude 3mt Claude 3mtr Claude 3r Claude 3t Claude 3tr
- rfoo 2y ago
  It's GPT-3.5 GPT-4 GPT-4-turbo GPT-4o-2024-08-06 GPT-4o GPT-4o-mini o1-preview o1 (low) o1 (medium) o1 (high) o1-mini o3-mini (low) o3-mini (medium) o3-mini (high) At this pace we are going to get to USB 3.2 Gen 1 real fast.
- pkaye 2y ago
  > GPT-4o-2024-08-06 GPT-4o From what I understand GPT-4o will map to the most recent generated model so it will change over time. The models with the date appended will not change over time.
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jug 2y ago
Google is the least confusing to me. Old school version number and Pro is better than Flash which is fast and for "simple" stuff (which can be effortless intermediate level coding at this point). OpenAI is crazy. There may be a day when we might have o5 that is reasoning and 5o that is not, and where they belong to different generations too, snd where "o" meant "Omni" despite o1-o3 not being audiovisual anymore like 4o. Anthropic crazy too. Sonnets and Haikus, just why... and a 3.5 Sonnet that was released in October that was better than 3.5 Sonnet. (Not a typo) And no one knows why there never was a 3.5 Opus.

seanhunter 2y ago

I don't know why you're finding it confusing. There's Duff, Duff Lite and now there's also all-new Duff Dry.

whynotminot 2y ago
I tend to prefer Duff Original Dry and Lite, but that’s just me
- TiredOfLife 2y ago
  And all three filled from the same tube. That the widescreen version doesn't show because the top is cut off.

justanotheratom 2y ago

They actually have two "studios" Google AI Studio and Google Cloud Vertex AI Studio And both have their own documentation, different ways of "tuning" the model. Talk about shipping the org chart.

arresin 2y ago
> Talk about shipping the org chart. Good expression. I’ve been thinking about a way to say exactly this.
- lelandfe 2y ago
  A pithy reworking of Conway's Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law
  - mhh__ 2y ago
    Subtle takeaway from that article is that he's stil alive and publishing stuff!
- echelon 2y ago
  I love this phrase so much. Google still has some unsettled demons.
jiggawatts 2y ago
> Talk about shipping the org chart. To be fair, Microsoft has shipped like five AI portals in the last two years. Maybe four — I don’t even know any more. I’ve lost track of the renames and product (re)launches.
- felixg3 2y ago
  They made a new one to unite them all: Microsoft Fabric. https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/
  - 2y ago

ssijak 2y ago

Working with google APIs is often an exercise in frustration. I like their base cloud offering the best actually, but their additional APIs can be all over the place. These AI related are the worst.

mring33621 2y ago
heuristic for Google Gemini API usage: if the model name contains '-exp' or '-preview', then API version is 'v1alpha' otherwise, use 'v1beta'

nitwit005 2y ago

Clearly, the next step is to rename one to "Google Chat".

FleetAdmiralJa 2y ago
And kill it the 10th time