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I agree that most messaging is propaganda, but that doesn't really counter the real pain that is being inflicted upon large populations of people by these gover

I agree that most messaging is propaganda, but that doesn't really counter the real pain that is being inflicted upon large populations of people by these government (and corporate) moves, and being cheered on by pretty large masses of people. The propaganda is like environmental pollution -- hard not to breathe it in. That said, I have no answer here..

breakingrules3 2y ago
my advice to you that cant breathe it in is leave your fantasy where propaganda is pollution and join reality where it does not impact you. also if you live in reality instead of the fantasy, you will just be less outraged in general.
- anticorporate 2y ago
  You realize that pursuading people to accept terrible acts as normal and not outrageous is the primary aim of much propaganda, correct?
  - seneca 2y ago
    The aim of propaganda is not anywhere near singular. Much of it is also aimed at convincing you that minor things are "terrible acts" that you need to be outraged about.
  - torstenvl 2y ago
    Name one.
    - seattle_spring 2y ago
      Name one... what?
- watwut 2y ago
  So you say, do exactly what authors of propaganda are trying to achieve and let them do what they want. Also, I am impacted by legal system, by lawlessness for some, by environment pollution, by Healthcare system ...
  - marchofdangs 2y ago
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- StefanBatory 2y ago
  [flagged]
jfkrrorj 2y ago
How about you read actual news, not already half-digested propaganda vomit? You do not have to live in polluted wasteland of western media propaganda! Big media failed 1000x since war on terror, and Bush lies, yet you still consume their shit! Simplest way is to read media from independent country. India is good, perhaps Arabic countries. Next level are independent channels on Telegram and Youtube. 10 min daily summary on war situation goes very long way.
- justin66 2y ago
  > Simplest way is to read media from independent country. India is good, perhaps Arabic countries. It's interesting that you listed India first. The English-language news source that pops up most often via Google News is the Hindustan Times, which is hot garbage. Are there any Indian sources that are much, much better than that which you recommend?
  - jfkrrorj 2y ago
    Honestly no idea, I followed this rabbit hole many years ago. Hindustan times seems like a rag, like British Sun. I guess I would recommend to take some event that happened 2 years ago, find how some papers wrote about it back then, and if you like it, follow them. My point is there is no reason to stay in toxic relationship. There is no reason to read news if you do not get any rewards. Even monthly AI summaries will be better, and you will stay "informed". For example all the Trump shit today, he wants legal precedents from constitutional court, 90% of this shit is irrelevant.
gadders 2y ago
There was just as much "large pain" being inflicted on people in the previous 4 years, it just didn't affect you personally.
- braiamp 2y ago
  Dude, lets be real here: most people would say the economy is shit, while still being comfortable with their lives. Anyone's general assessment of the economy based on gut, is meaningless. Unless you were on food banks/stamps, you were doing pretty good for all intents and purposes.
  - lazyeye 2y ago
    This statement is ridiculously out of touch.
    - HEmanZ 2y ago
      There is a massive amount of evidence that Americans basically think everyone else is having a terrible time, but asked to review their own living situation things are going well. Here’s a decent summary from late 2024: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/23/opinion/biden-trump-vibecession.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/23/opinion/biden-trump-vibec... Instead of engaging in the data, opponents usually yell the equivalent of what you put “You’re just out of touch!” Or throw in an anecdote like “well my cousin is having a terrible time!”. What’s going on the US is weirder than a “normal” economic problem. That’s what makes it so frustrating and politically polarizing.
      - lazyeye 2y ago
        Sorry but quoting the NYTimes as evidence would be no different from a Republican quoting Fox News as evidence to you. Here's an old quote from the author, the esteemable Paul Krugman “The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in ‘Metcalfe’s law’—which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants—becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet’s impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine’s.”
keybored 2y ago
Is your comment propaganda?
- brookst 2y ago
  Yeah we seem to have rhetorical escalation. Opinions are propaganda, beliefs are narratives, etc, etc. It's a way to devalue messages one disagrees with; they aren't just wrong, they're nefarious.
  - keybored 2y ago
    People don’t understand what I was getting at. In my book any furthering of any position is propaganda. It’s not just when you do it in a dishonest or underhanded way. That’s the old-school definition. Now what started this was the bald assertion that all most messaging is propaganda. Okay. People went with it, including the person I replied to. And that’s not objectionable according to my own definition. But if it is only “nefarious” messaging which is propaganda then you set yourself up for throwing stones in a glasshouse. Because a lot of comments (including the one I replied to) contain at least assumptions that further a world view. I don’t have to make an outright statement. I just have to hint at an assumption. And yeah, that’s what they did too.
yowayb 2y ago
I must agree, but I think the global public's awareness has been shocked into growth. I find the biggest problem with social media is actually user error. Unfortunately social media apps have become so complex that many have given up on curating their feeds. This is critical. If you can tune your social media to show you _interesting_ things, you can stay informed, possibly get good context, and not lose your mind.

breakingrules3 2y ago

my advice to you that cant breathe it in is leave your fantasy where propaganda is pollution and join reality where it does not impact you. also if you live in reality instead of the fantasy, you will just be less outraged in general.

anticorporate 2y ago
You realize that pursuading people to accept terrible acts as normal and not outrageous is the primary aim of much propaganda, correct?
- seneca 2y ago
  The aim of propaganda is not anywhere near singular. Much of it is also aimed at convincing you that minor things are "terrible acts" that you need to be outraged about.
- torstenvl 2y ago
  Name one.
  - seattle_spring 2y ago
    Name one... what?
watwut 2y ago
So you say, do exactly what authors of propaganda are trying to achieve and let them do what they want. Also, I am impacted by legal system, by lawlessness for some, by environment pollution, by Healthcare system ...
- marchofdangs 2y ago
  [dead]
StefanBatory 2y ago
[flagged]

jfkrrorj 2y ago

How about you read actual news, not already half-digested propaganda vomit? You do not have to live in polluted wasteland of western media propaganda! Big media failed 1000x since war on terror, and Bush lies, yet you still consume their shit! Simplest way is to read media from independent country. India is good, perhaps Arabic countries. Next level are independent channels on Telegram and Youtube. 10 min daily summary on war situation goes very long way.

justin66 2y ago
> Simplest way is to read media from independent country. India is good, perhaps Arabic countries. It's interesting that you listed India first. The English-language news source that pops up most often via Google News is the Hindustan Times, which is hot garbage. Are there any Indian sources that are much, much better than that which you recommend?
- jfkrrorj 2y ago
  Honestly no idea, I followed this rabbit hole many years ago. Hindustan times seems like a rag, like British Sun. I guess I would recommend to take some event that happened 2 years ago, find how some papers wrote about it back then, and if you like it, follow them. My point is there is no reason to stay in toxic relationship. There is no reason to read news if you do not get any rewards. Even monthly AI summaries will be better, and you will stay "informed". For example all the Trump shit today, he wants legal precedents from constitutional court, 90% of this shit is irrelevant.

gadders 2y ago

There was just as much "large pain" being inflicted on people in the previous 4 years, it just didn't affect you personally.

braiamp 2y ago
Dude, lets be real here: most people would say the economy is shit, while still being comfortable with their lives. Anyone's general assessment of the economy based on gut, is meaningless. Unless you were on food banks/stamps, you were doing pretty good for all intents and purposes.
- lazyeye 2y ago
  This statement is ridiculously out of touch.
  - HEmanZ 2y ago
    There is a massive amount of evidence that Americans basically think everyone else is having a terrible time, but asked to review their own living situation things are going well. Here’s a decent summary from late 2024: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/23/opinion/biden-trump-vibecession.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/23/opinion/biden-trump-vibec... Instead of engaging in the data, opponents usually yell the equivalent of what you put “You’re just out of touch!” Or throw in an anecdote like “well my cousin is having a terrible time!”. What’s going on the US is weirder than a “normal” economic problem. That’s what makes it so frustrating and politically polarizing.
    - lazyeye 2y ago
      Sorry but quoting the NYTimes as evidence would be no different from a Republican quoting Fox News as evidence to you. Here's an old quote from the author, the esteemable Paul Krugman “The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in ‘Metcalfe’s law’—which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants—becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet’s impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine’s.”

keybored 2y ago

Is your comment propaganda?

brookst 2y ago
Yeah we seem to have rhetorical escalation. Opinions are propaganda, beliefs are narratives, etc, etc. It's a way to devalue messages one disagrees with; they aren't just wrong, they're nefarious.
- keybored 2y ago
  People don’t understand what I was getting at. In my book any furthering of any position is propaganda. It’s not just when you do it in a dishonest or underhanded way. That’s the old-school definition. Now what started this was the bald assertion that all most messaging is propaganda. Okay. People went with it, including the person I replied to. And that’s not objectionable according to my own definition. But if it is only “nefarious” messaging which is propaganda then you set yourself up for throwing stones in a glasshouse. Because a lot of comments (including the one I replied to) contain at least assumptions that further a world view. I don’t have to make an outright statement. I just have to hint at an assumption. And yeah, that’s what they did too.

yowayb 2y ago

I must agree, but I think the global public's awareness has been shocked into growth. I find the biggest problem with social media is actually user error. Unfortunately social media apps have become so complex that many have given up on curating their feeds. This is critical. If you can tune your social media to show you _interesting_ things, you can stay informed, possibly get good context, and not lose your mind.