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I've never been able to fully use an Ubuntu desktop--the esthetics and UX always felt wrong, and the closest I could deal with was Elementary. I've pretty much

by rcarmo 2y ago

I've never been able to fully use an Ubuntu desktop--the esthetics and UX always felt wrong, and the closest I could deal with was Elementary. I've pretty much landed on Fedora and vanilla GNOME again for the past two years for many things (including some personal services), with Debian as my go-to for SBCs and servers (and Ubuntu as a fallback if what was available was too old). Snaps completely turned me off it, and the Fedora Bluefin/Bazzite experience is much better (even if I prefer to run some apps outside flatpack due to too many path re-mappings).

gjsman-1000 2y ago
Elementary though, despite the name, is so poorly engineered that distribution upgrades aren't available at all. OS 7 comes out? Format your hard drive. OS 8 comes out? Format your hard drive. Which kind of defeats the entire point: If you set up Elementary OS for someone with elementary computing knowledge, can you blame your grandparents in 4 years for a wildly out of date Linux computer? What grandson wants to download all their pictures, tax forms, emails, and copy it all back in place every few years? As I said in another comment, it's ironic that a Linux distribution could be said to take the crown for form over function, more than any other OS.
- soco 2y ago
  Here I usually get flak for claiming Linux desktop is simply still not there for my granps, and I think it's (the flak) totally undeserved: the gramps have zero chance to update it, and for me it's a whole afternoon mucking with console and packages and whatnot, regardless of distribution. I got used with the idea though, and said gramps are still more secure even if I get around updating their machines only every few months (but the food you get while updating, yum so worthy).
troyvit 2y ago
> Snaps completely turned me off it Yep, this turned me off from Ubuntu as well. Pop!_OS fully removed snaps, which is great, but man they're behind the times. kde-neon fixes a lot of the problems I have with the UX of Ubuntu, but KDE is getting weirder and weirder, and (for me, specifically with zoom) is still behind other WMs in its Wayland support. Looking at this point to go back to a tiling WM like sway on top of kde-neon, which is so weird to say.
- jessekv 2y ago
  > Pop!_OS fully removed snaps, which is great, but man they're behind the times One person's "behind the times" is another person's "delightfully stable". But yes, wondering what happens when they finally release their DE.
  - troyvit 2y ago
    That is a very good point. I was all complainy because I was trying to get a modern version of podman on my Pop home server and can't. It's as much podman's fault as Pop's though, and if I really wanted to stop complaining I'd put Fedora or whatever on it.
- donatj 2y ago
  I want to love Pop!_OS but every single time I install it, I do something that completely breaks X within the first couple boots. I don't know what I'm doing but I've had this happen across multiple machines. Never had the issue with Ubuntu nor Debian.

by rcarmo 2y ago

gjsman-1000 2y ago

Elementary though, despite the name, is so poorly engineered that distribution upgrades aren't available at all. OS 7 comes out? Format your hard drive. OS 8 comes out? Format your hard drive. Which kind of defeats the entire point: If you set up Elementary OS for someone with elementary computing knowledge, can you blame your grandparents in 4 years for a wildly out of date Linux computer? What grandson wants to download all their pictures, tax forms, emails, and copy it all back in place every few years? As I said in another comment, it's ironic that a Linux distribution could be said to take the crown for form over function, more than any other OS.

soco 2y ago
Here I usually get flak for claiming Linux desktop is simply still not there for my granps, and I think it's (the flak) totally undeserved: the gramps have zero chance to update it, and for me it's a whole afternoon mucking with console and packages and whatnot, regardless of distribution. I got used with the idea though, and said gramps are still more secure even if I get around updating their machines only every few months (but the food you get while updating, yum so worthy).

troyvit 2y ago

> Snaps completely turned me off it Yep, this turned me off from Ubuntu as well. Pop!_OS fully removed snaps, which is great, but man they're behind the times. kde-neon fixes a lot of the problems I have with the UX of Ubuntu, but KDE is getting weirder and weirder, and (for me, specifically with zoom) is still behind other WMs in its Wayland support. Looking at this point to go back to a tiling WM like sway on top of kde-neon, which is so weird to say.

jessekv 2y ago
> Pop!_OS fully removed snaps, which is great, but man they're behind the times One person's "behind the times" is another person's "delightfully stable". But yes, wondering what happens when they finally release their DE.
- troyvit 2y ago
  That is a very good point. I was all complainy because I was trying to get a modern version of podman on my Pop home server and can't. It's as much podman's fault as Pop's though, and if I really wanted to stop complaining I'd put Fedora or whatever on it.
donatj 2y ago
I want to love Pop!_OS but every single time I install it, I do something that completely breaks X within the first couple boots. I don't know what I'm doing but I've had this happen across multiple machines. Never had the issue with Ubuntu nor Debian.