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It's a myth that the bar is lowered for DEI hires.
by itronitron 2y ago
It's a myth that the bar is lowered for DEI hires.
- mistermann 2y agoIt isn't possible for you to know this.
- djohnston 2y agoYou should RTFA before making such an obviously disprovable assertion.
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- ryandrake 2y agoWhy are you (and many others) just assuming the black candidate is less qualified?
- d1str0 2y agoThat’s literally what this whole article was about. Removing a high correlation performance test, that black candidates didn’t pass as frequently, and replacing it with a very low correlation questionnaire that provided a more diverse applicant pool while weeding out highly qualified individuals.
- kalensh 2y agoThey still had to pass the performance test. It was just no longer the first step in the process. I want to be clear, that doesn't mean the questionnaire was a good thing. It just means that the questionnaire did not lower the bar. Instead it reduced the applicant pool in a sudden and unfair manner, which is it's own issue.
- Devilspawn6666 2y agoNo, read the article again. They didn't need to pass the same test to the same degree - the criteria was also changed to have "qualified" and "well qualified".
- kalensh 2y agoIt's worth nothing that this change happened before the questionnaire was instituted. (The paper referenced in the article was from 2006, I haven't dug enough to find a date for when this change was made, but the narrative in the article also establishes this act as happening in the '00s.) Additionally, from the Conclusions: "Reweighting was based on data collected from incumbent ATCSs who took AT-SAT on a research basis; some of these employees achieved overall scores less than 70 (that was one of the reasons for the reweighting effort – a belief that incumbent employees should be able to pass the entry-level selection test)." I don't think this proves that the update to the test was good or bad in overall competency, but I do think it's worth investigating if the test should be updated when existing employees are unable to pass.
- squigz 2y agoWas it replaced, or was the questionnaire an addition?
- tradertef 2y agoExactly. From the article: "As originally scored, the test was intended to pass 60% of applicants, but predictions suggested only 3% of black applicants would pass"
- MisterTea 2y agoAnd you are backing this claim up with what exactly?
- Manuel_D 2y agoThere are methods of practicing DEI that don't lower the bar. There are methods of DEI that do lower the bar. There's no single answer to that question, it depends on how DEI is implemented in that particular case.
- reducesuffering 2y agoYou should listen to what Harj, a YC partner and former CEO of TripleByte an objective software engineer competency test for hiring, has to say about what many companies were trying to do in lowering the bar. He only admitted companies were doing this in the past week. https://x.com/jesslivingston/status/1884652626467303560 https://x.com/jesslivingston/status/1884652626467303560
- russdill 2y agoAs someone who works in software, companies in general are not great at selecting software talent. The idea that there is some movable bar by which applicants are selected is clearly silly.