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> That doesn't look a very convincing argument. So Trump is coincidentally close to the Project 2025 members and both executing their playbook on day one but so

> That doesn't look a very convincing argument. So Trump is coincidentally close to the Project 2025 members and both executing their playbook on day one but somehow that's not a connection? And I don't find the argument convincing that because some of his policies are similar to Project 2025's, he must subscribe to ALL of them. > Well but right now why isn't he using any of those then? Musk operates outside any legal framework. Donald Trump gave Elon Musk the power of Special Government Employee (SGE), which is defined under U.S. federal law, 18 U.S.C. § 202. Further laws which cover this title are 5 CFR § 2641.104 and 17 CFR § 200.735-12. Musk is performing legal duties, entitled to him under democratically instituted and operationalised laws. > I'm just disproving the nonsensical argument "he's been elected, therefore it'll remain a democracy". Well no, that isn't a sufficient guarantee. I'm not making any claims about the future. I don't have a crystal ball. I am clearly arguing that you should accept the will of the people in a democracy.

realusername 2y ago
> And I don't find the argument convincing that because some of his policies are similar to Project 2025's, he must subscribe to ALL of them. Otherwise why he would be personally so close to this project then? That doesn't make sense. > Donald Trump gave Elon Musk the power of Special Government Employee (SGE), which is defined under U.S. federal law That's not enough to make what Musk is doing legal, this status is mostly for an advisor and Musk is an active executive member. The real way of making it legal is going through congress. Not to mention the other DOGE workers which as far I know have no status at all. > I'm not making any claims about the future. I don't have a crystal ball. I am clearly arguing that you should accept the will of the people in a democracy Well there's two things which are not true here in this sentence. First he lied about his actions (unless you can find me a statement where he says that he'll put Musk in charge of dismantling the government), so it's not the will of the people, it's the will of Trump. Secondly, he's not using the executive and legislative right now so it's hardly democratic, it's something you see in authoritarian regimes. In the EU, only Hungary works like that.

realusername 2y ago

> And I don't find the argument convincing that because some of his policies are similar to Project 2025's, he must subscribe to ALL of them. Otherwise why he would be personally so close to this project then? That doesn't make sense. > Donald Trump gave Elon Musk the power of Special Government Employee (SGE), which is defined under U.S. federal law That's not enough to make what Musk is doing legal, this status is mostly for an advisor and Musk is an active executive member. The real way of making it legal is going through congress. Not to mention the other DOGE workers which as far I know have no status at all. > I'm not making any claims about the future. I don't have a crystal ball. I am clearly arguing that you should accept the will of the people in a democracy Well there's two things which are not true here in this sentence. First he lied about his actions (unless you can find me a statement where he says that he'll put Musk in charge of dismantling the government), so it's not the will of the people, it's the will of Trump. Secondly, he's not using the executive and legislative right now so it's hardly democratic, it's something you see in authoritarian regimes. In the EU, only Hungary works like that.