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I don't have a problem with hiring qualified people instead of meeting quotas but the fact that the ones pushing this are them selves the most unqualified peopl

I don't have a problem with hiring qualified people instead of meeting quotas but the fact that the ones pushing this are them selves the most unqualified people is just beyond me.

ihsw 2y ago
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justonceokay 2y ago
That’s because it isn’t actually about qualification. It’s actually about a lack of accountability. Trump wants everyone to be able to hire their friends just like he does, optics be damned. I think a lot of people actually agree with this at a visceral level. Left leaning people are more concerned with power controlled by nepotism and “unfair” connections. To me that is a kind of sour grapes view fueled by too many participation trophies. A government full of cronies sucks but we can at least hope to get our own cronies in at some point. A meritocratic/technocratic government sounds like a dystopian novel.
- solfox 2y ago
  In your view, is that how all businesses should be run as well? Hiring your least qualified friends? Surely, cronyism exists in corporate America, but I'd venture a guess that a company run in this way would fail almost immediately. No, this style of management and hiring is more like that of a crime boss - and it's not about friendships - it's about LOYALTY.
  - TehCorwiz 2y ago
    They don't "fail" as such. They burn through the money, spread it around, and then declare bankruptcy while everyone involved is somehow wealthier. It's kleptocracy.
    - throwaway7783 2y ago
      This is kinda becoming a thing with VC based startups. But beyond that, where does the money come from?
      - rbanffy 2y ago
        Most of Trump's money always came from investors that bought in his enterprises.
- s3r3nity 2y ago
  >A government full of cronies sucks... >A meritocratic...government sounds like a dystopian novel. So nepotism + networking = bad, but meritocracy also = bad...? >...we can at least hope to get our own cronies in at some point. OR you reduce the risk vector and limit the size & scope of government. Most people agree with your earlier premises, so why would I support adding powers to a structure where folks I strongly disagree with will lead that structure ~50% of the time?
  - cratermoon 2y ago
    > So nepotism + networking = bad, but meritocracy also = bad...? The downsides of meritocracy invalidate the almost idolatrous worship of the idea seen in the tech field. Tolstoy wrote “It is principally through this false idea of inequality, and the intoxication of power and of servility resulting from it, that men associated in a state organization are enabled to commit acts opposed to their conscience without the least scruple or remorse.”[1] See also: Sandel, Michael J. The Tyranny of Merit : What’s Become of the Common Good?. [S.l.]: Penguin Books, 2021. Niebuhr, Reinhold. Moral Man and Immoral Society: A Study in Ethics and Politics. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1995. https://archive.org/details/moralmanimmorals00nieb_0 https://archive.org/details/moralmanimmorals00nieb_0. [1] Tolstoy, Leo,. 1894. “‘The kingdom of God is within you’ Christianity not as a mystic religion but as a new theory of life;” New York: Cassell Pub. Co. /z-wcorg/. 1894. http://catalog.hathitrust.org/api/volumes/oclc/3859761.html http://catalog.hathitrust.org/api/volumes/oclc/3859761.html.
    - s3r3nity 2y ago
      Biggest issue with Democrats is learning that "People are born with different abilities." Biggest issue with Republicans is learning that "People are born with different abilities."
      - cratermoon 2y ago
        Thank you for your analysis. It is both penetrating and diffuse.
- sollewitt 2y ago
  Sour grapes rather than valuing fairness? Elementary school kids are huge on fairness and injustice. It seems like it's built in to facilitate group social dynamics in great apes. It takes a lot of sophistication to be able to frame valuing fairness as a character flaw.
  - drawkward 2y ago
    elementary kids are also some of the most violent people per capita. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3283570/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3283570/ Downvote if you like, but kids' community values are typically enforced with antisocial behavior
paulddraper 2y ago
Well then it demonstrates their sincerity I suppose.
CSMastermind 2y ago
I'm not sure about most unqualified but I will say that it's people the bubble who are most impacted by these policies. The elite are getting hired no matter what. It's the average person who was just barely above the bar that gets bumped to make room for a quota based hire that really feels the impact.

I don't have a problem with hiring qualified people instead of meeting quotas but the fact that the ones pushing this are them selves the most unqualified people is just beyond me.

ihsw 2y ago

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justonceokay 2y ago

That’s because it isn’t actually about qualification. It’s actually about a lack of accountability. Trump wants everyone to be able to hire their friends just like he does, optics be damned. I think a lot of people actually agree with this at a visceral level. Left leaning people are more concerned with power controlled by nepotism and “unfair” connections. To me that is a kind of sour grapes view fueled by too many participation trophies. A government full of cronies sucks but we can at least hope to get our own cronies in at some point. A meritocratic/technocratic government sounds like a dystopian novel.

solfox 2y ago
In your view, is that how all businesses should be run as well? Hiring your least qualified friends? Surely, cronyism exists in corporate America, but I'd venture a guess that a company run in this way would fail almost immediately. No, this style of management and hiring is more like that of a crime boss - and it's not about friendships - it's about LOYALTY.
- TehCorwiz 2y ago
  They don't "fail" as such. They burn through the money, spread it around, and then declare bankruptcy while everyone involved is somehow wealthier. It's kleptocracy.
  - throwaway7783 2y ago
    This is kinda becoming a thing with VC based startups. But beyond that, where does the money come from?
    - rbanffy 2y ago
      Most of Trump's money always came from investors that bought in his enterprises.
s3r3nity 2y ago
>A government full of cronies sucks... >A meritocratic...government sounds like a dystopian novel. So nepotism + networking = bad, but meritocracy also = bad...? >...we can at least hope to get our own cronies in at some point. OR you reduce the risk vector and limit the size & scope of government. Most people agree with your earlier premises, so why would I support adding powers to a structure where folks I strongly disagree with will lead that structure ~50% of the time?
- cratermoon 2y ago
  > So nepotism + networking = bad, but meritocracy also = bad...? The downsides of meritocracy invalidate the almost idolatrous worship of the idea seen in the tech field. Tolstoy wrote “It is principally through this false idea of inequality, and the intoxication of power and of servility resulting from it, that men associated in a state organization are enabled to commit acts opposed to their conscience without the least scruple or remorse.”[1] See also: Sandel, Michael J. The Tyranny of Merit : What’s Become of the Common Good?. [S.l.]: Penguin Books, 2021. Niebuhr, Reinhold. Moral Man and Immoral Society: A Study in Ethics and Politics. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1995. https://archive.org/details/moralmanimmorals00nieb_0 https://archive.org/details/moralmanimmorals00nieb_0. [1] Tolstoy, Leo,. 1894. “‘The kingdom of God is within you’ Christianity not as a mystic religion but as a new theory of life;” New York: Cassell Pub. Co. /z-wcorg/. 1894. http://catalog.hathitrust.org/api/volumes/oclc/3859761.html http://catalog.hathitrust.org/api/volumes/oclc/3859761.html.
  - s3r3nity 2y ago
    Biggest issue with Democrats is learning that "People are born with different abilities." Biggest issue with Republicans is learning that "People are born with different abilities."
    - cratermoon 2y ago
      Thank you for your analysis. It is both penetrating and diffuse.
sollewitt 2y ago
Sour grapes rather than valuing fairness? Elementary school kids are huge on fairness and injustice. It seems like it's built in to facilitate group social dynamics in great apes. It takes a lot of sophistication to be able to frame valuing fairness as a character flaw.
- drawkward 2y ago
  elementary kids are also some of the most violent people per capita. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3283570/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3283570/ Downvote if you like, but kids' community values are typically enforced with antisocial behavior

paulddraper 2y ago

Well then it demonstrates their sincerity I suppose.

CSMastermind 2y ago

I'm not sure about most unqualified but I will say that it's people the bubble who are most impacted by these policies. The elite are getting hired no matter what. It's the average person who was just barely above the bar that gets bumped to make room for a quota based hire that really feels the impact.