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It's hard for me to believe that people actually think they can use Signal or some other 'security app' on a device that is fundamentally compromised already.

It's hard for me to believe that people actually think they can use Signal or some other 'security app' on a device that is fundamentally compromised already. Sure, your messages are encrypted, but they (whoever they are) have the private keys (both sender and receiver) because the smart phones you are using are compromised by them. It's really simple. So next time you read a news story about criminals who were using some supposedly secure app to commit crimes, but got caught anyway... keep this in mind.

b8 2y ago
Yep, Cellebrite is popular among LE and my phone (a new Pixel) is able is be extracted. Even if I install a privacy OS such as GrapheneOS, I don't think it would help. The Librem phone looks nice, but it costs a lot and the camera/specs are bad.
- seethishat 2y ago
  Exactly. Just don't commit crimes and don't use a phone/computer to commit crimes thinking you will get away with it. It doesn't work, they know who you are and what you did. It's really simple.
  - ziddoap 2y ago
    Great to learn that across all of history, only criminals are subject to searches and there has never been corruption in law enforcement.
  - robertwebb 2y ago
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  - rexpop 2y ago
    > Just don't commit crimes. This is a really, really ignorant imperative. First of all, the criminalization of poverty and structural injustice, generally, make technically criminal activity inevitable in some communities, but I recognize that what you actually mean is "don't commit criminal acts of protest" which is still ludicrously ignorant—and cruel! Civil disobedience, by definition, involves the deliberate violation of a law. It is, nevertheless, our duty to perform when laws or systems perpetuate severe injustices, democratic failures, or lack legitimacy. As John F. Kennedy famously put it, "Those who make [legal] revolution impossible will make [criminal] revolution inevitable." This is economics.
lukev 2y ago
If you have evidence of how the secure enclaves on mobile devices are compromised, you should share those details. You can also believe that there is an industry-wide conspiracy in which everything is backdoored. But that's a philosophical/political claim, not a technical one. Which type of claim are you making?
- fsflover 2y ago
  > secure enclaves on mobile devices Which secure enclaves? If you can read a message on your screen and your OS obeys somebody else, not you, then they can also do it.

b8 2y ago

Yep, Cellebrite is popular among LE and my phone (a new Pixel) is able is be extracted. Even if I install a privacy OS such as GrapheneOS, I don't think it would help. The Librem phone looks nice, but it costs a lot and the camera/specs are bad.

seethishat 2y ago
Exactly. Just don't commit crimes and don't use a phone/computer to commit crimes thinking you will get away with it. It doesn't work, they know who you are and what you did. It's really simple.
- ziddoap 2y ago
  Great to learn that across all of history, only criminals are subject to searches and there has never been corruption in law enforcement.
- robertwebb 2y ago
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- rexpop 2y ago
  > Just don't commit crimes. This is a really, really ignorant imperative. First of all, the criminalization of poverty and structural injustice, generally, make technically criminal activity inevitable in some communities, but I recognize that what you actually mean is "don't commit criminal acts of protest" which is still ludicrously ignorant—and cruel! Civil disobedience, by definition, involves the deliberate violation of a law. It is, nevertheless, our duty to perform when laws or systems perpetuate severe injustices, democratic failures, or lack legitimacy. As John F. Kennedy famously put it, "Those who make [legal] revolution impossible will make [criminal] revolution inevitable." This is economics.

lukev 2y ago

If you have evidence of how the secure enclaves on mobile devices are compromised, you should share those details. You can also believe that there is an industry-wide conspiracy in which everything is backdoored. But that's a philosophical/political claim, not a technical one. Which type of claim are you making?

fsflover 2y ago
> secure enclaves on mobile devices Which secure enclaves? If you can read a message on your screen and your OS obeys somebody else, not you, then they can also do it.