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Agencies are not a separate branch they are part of the executive branch. There is no separation of power issue.

by sam345 2y ago

empyrrhicist 2y ago
You don't get to just pretend these things aren't created and funded by congress, and that their operation hasn't been solidified and formed over decades and decades through interaction with the judicial branch as well. The executive branch has an obligation to execute the laws - they don't get to arbitrarily pick and choose how to do that without constraint. Period. If these were somehow created by executive action, it would be a completely different conversation. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous in the extreme.
- mc32 2y ago
  Apparently Mayorkas didn't have to execute the laws if he didn't want to and moreover got to decide if he wanted to subvert them as well by granting asylum to whomever asked as well as providing transport, guidance, etc., etc. Democrats make people upset by not applying laws --all the thievery etc that AGs went light on, etc., and the Republicans make people upset by applying laws to a greater extent (being tougher on crime and deportations --though Obama wasn't a laggard in the latter either)
  - empyrrhicist 2y ago
    No - bullshit. It is not defensible to conflate the dismantling of entire agencies and departments with discretionary enforcement. "But but but Democrats" isn't a response when we are dealing with COMPLETELY unprecedented actions.
    - mc32 2y ago
      They're not being dismantled. Funding is being paused while they are audited --and the audits are showing very concerning waste, potential fraud and are being reorganized under a different department. This is a good thing. They should not get to waste our tax dollars without oversight and fraud detection.
      - empyrrhicist 2y ago
        > They're not being dismantled. O RLY? You might try reading literally anything the people involved are putting out there. They're open about trying to shut down USAID and the department of Education, and interfering so deeply in places like NIH is beyond the plausible legal limit (which is part of the point during an authoritarian takeover). https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/03/usaid-elon-musk-donald-trump/78175895007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/03/usai... USAID was codified by 22 U.S.C. 6501 > and the audits are showing very concerning waste Giant flashing neon sign saying "Citation Needed". Visible from fucking space. I know that HN is supposed to be a place of reasoned discourse, but your takes are so removed from reality I can't take you seriously. I hold your authoritarian apologism in utter contempt and disgust. Be better.
        mc32 2y ago
        I think everyone should be concerned how the government is spending our money and every government administration should have its spending audited and any graft, fraud and waste eliminated with a waste-0 initiative. This should be transparent to the voters. We should know how they are spending our money and where. The purpose of the government agencies isn't to be a jobs program.
        empyrrhicist 2y ago
        > This should be transparent to the voters. We should know how they are spending our money and where. The fact that you think this is what's happening right now is fucking hilarious. It's also hilarious that you don't seem to know just how much public information IS available from these institutions. Some random, ketamine addicted, un-elected oligarch with a cadre of teenage lackeys being let loose with unlimited authority over giant institutions in a process with zero accountability or transparency is your fucking idea of an audit? Like the rest of your arguments here, that's either phenomenally stupid or a mediocre astroturfing job.
        mc32 2y ago

Agencies are not a separate branch they are part of the executive branch. There is no separation of power issue.

by sam345 2y ago

Agencies are not a separate branch they are part of the executive branch. There is no separation of power issue.

You don't get to just pretend these things aren't created and funded by congress, and that their operation hasn't been solidified and formed over decades and decades through interaction with the judicial branch as well. The executive branch has an obligation to execute the laws - they don't get to arbitrarily pick and choose how to do that without constraint. Period. If these were somehow created by executive action, it would be a completely different conversation. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous in the extreme.

mc32 2y ago
Apparently Mayorkas didn't have to execute the laws if he didn't want to and moreover got to decide if he wanted to subvert them as well by granting asylum to whomever asked as well as providing transport, guidance, etc., etc. Democrats make people upset by not applying laws --all the thievery etc that AGs went light on, etc., and the Republicans make people upset by applying laws to a greater extent (being tougher on crime and deportations --though Obama wasn't a laggard in the latter either)
- empyrrhicist 2y ago
  No - bullshit. It is not defensible to conflate the dismantling of entire agencies and departments with discretionary enforcement. "But but but Democrats" isn't a response when we are dealing with COMPLETELY unprecedented actions.
  - mc32 2y ago
    They're not being dismantled. Funding is being paused while they are audited --and the audits are showing very concerning waste, potential fraud and are being reorganized under a different department. This is a good thing. They should not get to waste our tax dollars without oversight and fraud detection.
    - empyrrhicist 2y ago
      > They're not being dismantled. O RLY? You might try reading literally anything the people involved are putting out there. They're open about trying to shut down USAID and the department of Education, and interfering so deeply in places like NIH is beyond the plausible legal limit (which is part of the point during an authoritarian takeover). https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/03/usaid-elon-musk-donald-trump/78175895007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/03/usai... USAID was codified by 22 U.S.C. 6501 > and the audits are showing very concerning waste Giant flashing neon sign saying "Citation Needed". Visible from fucking space. I know that HN is supposed to be a place of reasoned discourse, but your takes are so removed from reality I can't take you seriously. I hold your authoritarian apologism in utter contempt and disgust. Be better.
      - mc32 2y ago
        I think everyone should be concerned how the government is spending our money and every government administration should have its spending audited and any graft, fraud and waste eliminated with a waste-0 initiative. This should be transparent to the voters. We should know how they are spending our money and where. The purpose of the government agencies isn't to be a jobs program.
        empyrrhicist 2y ago
        > This should be transparent to the voters. We should know how they are spending our money and where. The fact that you think this is what's happening right now is fucking hilarious. It's also hilarious that you don't seem to know just how much public information IS available from these institutions. Some random, ketamine addicted, un-elected oligarch with a cadre of teenage lackeys being let loose with unlimited authority over giant institutions in a process with zero accountability or transparency is your fucking idea of an audit? Like the rest of your arguments here, that's either phenomenally stupid or a mediocre astroturfing job.
        mc32 2y ago