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Not to politicise this discussion, but the country is called 'The Republic of Ireland'. The phrase 'the Irish Republic' references the 1916 Easter proclamation,

by dbspin 2y ago

Not to politicise this discussion, but the country is called 'The Republic of Ireland'. The phrase 'the Irish Republic' references the 1916 Easter proclamation, and has specific political and even colonial implications in Ireland. It's frequently used on BBC news, but never in Ireland where it would have a similar connotation to 'the free state' or other radical republican delegitimisations of the Irish state.

rsynnott 2y ago
So, to confuse the issue, the country is officially called Ireland (it's in the constitution!), and that is the name normally used in Ireland and in Europe. The UK government officially referred to Ireland as the Republic of Ireland until 1998 (it now calls it Ireland) and as a result people in the UK often call it the Republic of Ireland. People calling it the Irish Republic usually have an agenda in doing so, yeah. ED: > Not to politicise this discussion I mean, this is on a thread about the Nazis; I think you don't need to worry too much about further politicising it :)
- dbspin 2y ago
  Right you are. Also, if you're Rob Synnott I'm pretty sure I remember you from back in the early blogging / podcast days. Hope you're well.
  - CalRobert 2y ago
    What podcast is this?
    - rsynnott 2y ago
      Was wondering that as well; I don’t remember ever doing a podcast :D
- graemep 2y ago
  What agenda? I do not know enough about the history to understand the implications How does one unambiguously refer to the country rather than the island without saying “republic”?
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    > What agenda? I do not know enough about the history to understand the implications Traditionally, you mostly see weird names for Ireland in British media with an anti-Irish viewpoint (you saw a lot of this from the right-wing tabloids during Brexit, in particular). In particular ‘Eire’ and ‘the Irish Republic’ are red flags; ‘Eire’ has never been correct to use in English, and ‘the Irish Republic’ was never _really_ the name of the country at all. At best it comes across as ignorant (a bit like Americans calling the UK ‘England’) but in practice it tends to only be used by a certain type of publication. (In particularly extreme cases you sometimes see ‘the Irish Free State’, presumably from journalists who are over a century old.) > How does one unambiguously refer to the country rather than the island without saying “republic”? Ah, well, that’s the trouble, isn’t it? In cases where it could be ambiguous, Irish media tends to say ‘the state’, but that doesn’t really work elsewhere. In practice where disambiguation is required “the Republic of Ireland” is a reasonable neutral term.
- CalRobert 2y ago
  Even more confusing, the constitution defines the name as Éire, but using this term is considered passé or rude if you're not speaking English. https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/cons/en/html https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/cons/en/html ARTICLE 4 The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland.
  - CalRobert 2y ago
    Sorry, I meant if you’re not speaking Irish
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by dbspin 2y ago

rsynnott 2y ago

So, to confuse the issue, the country is officially called Ireland (it's in the constitution!), and that is the name normally used in Ireland and in Europe. The UK government officially referred to Ireland as the Republic of Ireland until 1998 (it now calls it Ireland) and as a result people in the UK often call it the Republic of Ireland. People calling it the Irish Republic usually have an agenda in doing so, yeah. ED: > Not to politicise this discussion I mean, this is on a thread about the Nazis; I think you don't need to worry too much about further politicising it :)

dbspin 2y ago
Right you are. Also, if you're Rob Synnott I'm pretty sure I remember you from back in the early blogging / podcast days. Hope you're well.
- CalRobert 2y ago
  What podcast is this?
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    Was wondering that as well; I don’t remember ever doing a podcast :D
graemep 2y ago
What agenda? I do not know enough about the history to understand the implications How does one unambiguously refer to the country rather than the island without saying “republic”?
- rsynnott 2y ago
  > What agenda? I do not know enough about the history to understand the implications Traditionally, you mostly see weird names for Ireland in British media with an anti-Irish viewpoint (you saw a lot of this from the right-wing tabloids during Brexit, in particular). In particular ‘Eire’ and ‘the Irish Republic’ are red flags; ‘Eire’ has never been correct to use in English, and ‘the Irish Republic’ was never _really_ the name of the country at all. At best it comes across as ignorant (a bit like Americans calling the UK ‘England’) but in practice it tends to only be used by a certain type of publication. (In particularly extreme cases you sometimes see ‘the Irish Free State’, presumably from journalists who are over a century old.) > How does one unambiguously refer to the country rather than the island without saying “republic”? Ah, well, that’s the trouble, isn’t it? In cases where it could be ambiguous, Irish media tends to say ‘the state’, but that doesn’t really work elsewhere. In practice where disambiguation is required “the Republic of Ireland” is a reasonable neutral term.
CalRobert 2y ago
Even more confusing, the constitution defines the name as Éire, but using this term is considered passé or rude if you're not speaking English. https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/cons/en/html https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/cons/en/html ARTICLE 4 The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland.
- CalRobert 2y ago
  Sorry, I meant if you’re not speaking Irish

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