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> Want to attract more applicants? Offer more compensation. This was already addressed in the original post. Why write in this "spelling it out for you" style

> Want to attract more applicants? Offer more compensation. This was already addressed in the original post. Why write in this "spelling it out for you" style when they already addressed it? > Do you know why people go through the pain of becoming a doctor? Because they make a lot of money when they get through the other side. This is really reductive. There are multiple reasons: - very stable employment - very prestigious job, and has been for centuries. Conveys authority. Your family can boast that you're a doctor. - very interesting tales come out of employment, and your family probably - very easy to feel good about being a doctor - directly helping people etc Not all of those for everyone, and they no doubt don't all turn out to be the case, but doctors apply for multiple reasons, and many of them aren't in high-paying areas at all. Doctors (in America, which I assume is what you're focusing in on) are paid well partly because they have high expenses in terms of liability insurance.

watwut 2y ago
Doctors dont have interesting tales to tell, nor should have due to things being private by law. Stability of employment is something that traffic controllers could have, this is just a question of "working conditions" and solvable by money. I really do not see why traffic controller could not feel good about being traffic controller. They do more "life saving" jobs then any of us on hacker news.
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  > Doctors dont have interesting tales to tell, nor should have due to things being private by law. Identifiable tales are illegal, yes. That's not all tales. Surely you know a doctor and they've told you stories before? I'm listing other reasons doctors like being doctors over just money. I don't know what the rest of your comment has to do with this.
- Shinolove 2y ago
  Jokes on you I am working on ATC software solutions (safety modules exactly aiming to predict and warn about this kind of events)
  - robertlagrant 2y ago
    This is wonderful. Anything built that long ago that's still around is a testament to the amazing engineers who made it, and also it probably should be replaced or severely upgraded!
- HelloMcFly 2y ago
  > Doctors dont have interesting tales to tell You must know few doctors, or they must work in very boring locations. > nor should have due to things being private by law You wouldn't believe how amazingly easy to tell stories without any patient identifying details. Think of any of your best stories - could you tell them to me without providing me breadcrumbs about any identities? I bet you could with nearly every story you have to tell.
Physkal 2y ago
New vocabulary, thanks. Reductive -tending to present a subject or problem in a simplified form, especially one viewed as crude.
marcusverus 2y ago
> This was already addressed in the original post. Why write in this "spelling it out for you" style when they already addressed it? The supply of labor for a given job is related to the market price of the job. This is literally ECON 101.
- afavour 2y ago
  It's still a simplistic view. If you increase salaries the pay has to come from somewhere. Does that mean making flights more expensive? Or raising taxes? Either way it's not as simple as "just increase salaries, dummy".
  - tuatoru 2y ago
    Making flights more expensive would also address the ATC shortage, by reducing workload. Good idea. (Econ 101 again: increased price -> reduced demand, i. e. fewer flights.)
    - afavour 2y ago
      Except that the people making these decisions are politicians. So while Econ 101 applies, so does Politics 101: don't anger voters. It's not uncommon for those two to be in conflict.
- sincerely 2y ago
  In most fields of study, you eventually learn that the information from 101 classes are broad oversimplifications at best. I would be surprised if economics was an exception
  - pas 2y ago
    microeconomics holds up amazingly well. things get complicated of course as the situation under analysis gets further and further from the ideal setup, as data gets more scarce, and so on. but the job market is pretty darn close to the simple model, and this question is also close to the ideal (how much more price need to rise for supply to meet demand, we draw the graph based on data from other professions, and boom, there's our answer, if we want to get very fancy we can do various models to try to estimate the curves.)

watwut 2y ago

Doctors dont have interesting tales to tell, nor should have due to things being private by law. Stability of employment is something that traffic controllers could have, this is just a question of "working conditions" and solvable by money. I really do not see why traffic controller could not feel good about being traffic controller. They do more "life saving" jobs then any of us on hacker news.

robertlagrant 2y ago
> Doctors dont have interesting tales to tell, nor should have due to things being private by law. Identifiable tales are illegal, yes. That's not all tales. Surely you know a doctor and they've told you stories before? I'm listing other reasons doctors like being doctors over just money. I don't know what the rest of your comment has to do with this.
Shinolove 2y ago
Jokes on you I am working on ATC software solutions (safety modules exactly aiming to predict and warn about this kind of events)
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  This is wonderful. Anything built that long ago that's still around is a testament to the amazing engineers who made it, and also it probably should be replaced or severely upgraded!
HelloMcFly 2y ago
> Doctors dont have interesting tales to tell You must know few doctors, or they must work in very boring locations. > nor should have due to things being private by law You wouldn't believe how amazingly easy to tell stories without any patient identifying details. Think of any of your best stories - could you tell them to me without providing me breadcrumbs about any identities? I bet you could with nearly every story you have to tell.

Physkal 2y ago

New vocabulary, thanks. Reductive -tending to present a subject or problem in a simplified form, especially one viewed as crude.

marcusverus 2y ago

> This was already addressed in the original post. Why write in this "spelling it out for you" style when they already addressed it? The supply of labor for a given job is related to the market price of the job. This is literally ECON 101.

afavour 2y ago
It's still a simplistic view. If you increase salaries the pay has to come from somewhere. Does that mean making flights more expensive? Or raising taxes? Either way it's not as simple as "just increase salaries, dummy".
- tuatoru 2y ago
  Making flights more expensive would also address the ATC shortage, by reducing workload. Good idea. (Econ 101 again: increased price -> reduced demand, i. e. fewer flights.)
  - afavour 2y ago
    Except that the people making these decisions are politicians. So while Econ 101 applies, so does Politics 101: don't anger voters. It's not uncommon for those two to be in conflict.
sincerely 2y ago
In most fields of study, you eventually learn that the information from 101 classes are broad oversimplifications at best. I would be surprised if economics was an exception
- pas 2y ago
  microeconomics holds up amazingly well. things get complicated of course as the situation under analysis gets further and further from the ideal setup, as data gets more scarce, and so on. but the job market is pretty darn close to the simple model, and this question is also close to the ideal (how much more price need to rise for supply to meet demand, we draw the graph based on data from other professions, and boom, there's our answer, if we want to get very fancy we can do various models to try to estimate the curves.)