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Then maybe you should see how it’s done in other countries and companies. I’ve worked on hiring and we’ve never once lowered our standards just to get in a blac
by scott_w 2y ago
Then maybe you should see how it’s done in other countries and companies. I’ve worked on hiring and we’ve never once lowered our standards just to get in a black candidate. What I’ve seen done is conscious outreach to increase diversity of applicants, changing language to increase applications from women, blind reviews where you can’t see the name or details of the applicant (to minimise subconscious bias).
All of these actually happen and, to a greater or lesser extent, do help without discriminating against white applicants. How do I know? I ended up only hiring two white men in that particular round!
- aydyn 2y ago[flagged]
- scott_w 2y agoSince your response is to call me a liar, I won’t dignify the rest of your comment with a thoughtful reply.
- aydyn 2y agoI didnt call you a liar, I am claiming that people are not always truthful to themselves. Purposeful ignorance is an easy out. For example, you made a factually incorrect claim about blind hiring, and its considerably easier to ignore that since addressing it devastates your larger point.
- ryandrake 2y agoHe told you something he personally did/witnessed, and you replied with "not true." I'm not sure how else he should have interpreted that.
- aydyn 2y agoI think he truly believes it, but given the totality of his post it's very likely wrong. I'm not saying he is lying or a liar. Again: > blind reviews where you can’t see the name or details of the applicant (to minimise subconscious bias). Its been shown that doing so _increases_ the amount of non-minority candidates selected, not the other way around.
- ryandrake 2y agoI've done hundreds of interviews and have also never been asked to raise or lower any bar based on the gender or race of the candidate. Would you say my statement is "not true"?
- aydyn 2y agoIn a vacuum I wouldn't make a conjecture. Given the current subject matter I would ask for clarification. For example, is one of your personal goals OR corporate goals within those hundreds of interviews to promote DEI?
- modo_mario 2y ago>conscious outreach to increase diversity of applicants Which involved doingwhat exactly?
- scott_w 2y agoIn our case, the recruitment team started by only headhunting target candidates. Once we exhausted that pool, they would headhunt any candidate. Just for clarity, this was for a publicly posted job position, so non-target candidates were able to, and did, put in applications. They were assessed the same way target candidates were.
- lordloki 2y agoSo you started out your hiring practices focused solely on one race...and you don't think it's racist?
- scott_w 2y agoWeird how I knew performative outrage would be the response, just as night follows day.
- teractiveodular 2y agoIt's not performative outrage, it's a statement of fact. You didn't merely widen the net, you spearfished candidates of the right race and ignored those of the wrong ones. Regardless of your intentions, how is that not racist?
- scott_w 2y ago> Just for clarity, this was for a publicly posted job position, so non-target candidates were able to, and did, put in applications. They were assessed the same way target candidates were. Try again.
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