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Yes, it's good to be careful to not label as people as fascists unless they do things like, for example, literally do the Nazi salute while publicly addressing

Yes, it's good to be careful to not label as people as fascists unless they do things like, for example, literally do the Nazi salute while publicly addressing a crowd.

klipt 2y ago
Or try to rule by executive power while ignoring the Constitution, Congress, checks and balances... Of course it's not only fascists who can be totalitarian, but totalitarianism is a bad smell in any form of government and should be avoided.
OCASMv2 2y ago
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- cocacola1 2y ago
  https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/illusory-truth-effect https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/illusory-truth-effect
- dashundchen 2y ago
  We all saw the Nazi salutes with our own eyes, the man and his ex girlfriend both follow and interact with avowed white supremacists and Nazis on his own platform. The lie is coming from Musk and his cult of supporters.
  - OCASMv2 2y ago
    > We all saw the Nazi salutes with our own eyes You all decided to interpret his gesture as the nazi salute. Big difference.
    - lolc 2y ago
      Yes when he did not comment afterwards that it wasn't a Nazi salute, I decided to interpret it as one. It's not something that happened in isolation. I allow for the possibility that in the moment he didn't mean for it to be that salute. Now if he's too weak to clarify it wasn't? Then he did a Nazi salute in all ways that count. Being an accidental Nazi is very much on topic for the text we're commenting on.
      - OCASMv2 2y ago
        > when he did not comment afterwards that it wasn't a Nazi salute No reason for him to do that in the first place. It would set a precedent of having to defend himself every time people who dislike him deliberately malinterpret anything he does.
        lolc 2y ago
        It would set a precedent of him being part of polite society. Not appearing weaselly to his Nazi friends is more important to him. He has chosen.
        OCASMv2 2y ago
        Polite society doesn't slander so nilly willy in the first place.
      - arp242 2y ago
        > It's not something that happened in isolation. I mean, he built the world's leading online platform for anti-Semitism with his take on Twitter/X. All the classic anti-Semitic tropes are extremely common, people are being hounded with anti-Semitic slurs, etc. Flags on it are basically ignored. Elon Musk himself has even endorsed some anti-Semitic tweets. Concerns about all of that go back years (this is what sparked the ad boycot a few years back). I have a hard time seeing how anyone denying the pattern here is acting in good faith, especially since there's a significantly overlap with people who analyse critics of Israeli policy wrt. the Palestinians to the subatomic level for possible anti-Semitism.
_yb2s 2y ago
This German comedy sketch sums up this situation incredibly well IMO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvgZtdmyKlI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvgZtdmyKlI
StefanBatory 2y ago
https://acoup.blog/2024/10/25/new-acquisitions-1933-and-the-definition-of-fascism/ https://acoup.blog/2024/10/25/new-acquisitions-1933-and-the-... You have some known historians who openly say that Trump fits the criteria for fascism. Republican party? Not really. Trump? Yes.

Yes, it's good to be careful to not label as people as fascists unless they do things like, for example, literally do the Nazi salute while publicly addressing a crowd.

klipt 2y ago

Or try to rule by executive power while ignoring the Constitution, Congress, checks and balances... Of course it's not only fascists who can be totalitarian, but totalitarianism is a bad smell in any form of government and should be avoided.

OCASMv2 2y ago

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cocacola1 2y ago
https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/illusory-truth-effect https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/illusory-truth-effect
dashundchen 2y ago
We all saw the Nazi salutes with our own eyes, the man and his ex girlfriend both follow and interact with avowed white supremacists and Nazis on his own platform. The lie is coming from Musk and his cult of supporters.
- OCASMv2 2y ago
  > We all saw the Nazi salutes with our own eyes You all decided to interpret his gesture as the nazi salute. Big difference.
  - lolc 2y ago
    Yes when he did not comment afterwards that it wasn't a Nazi salute, I decided to interpret it as one. It's not something that happened in isolation. I allow for the possibility that in the moment he didn't mean for it to be that salute. Now if he's too weak to clarify it wasn't? Then he did a Nazi salute in all ways that count. Being an accidental Nazi is very much on topic for the text we're commenting on.
    - OCASMv2 2y ago
      > when he did not comment afterwards that it wasn't a Nazi salute No reason for him to do that in the first place. It would set a precedent of having to defend himself every time people who dislike him deliberately malinterpret anything he does.
      - lolc 2y ago
        It would set a precedent of him being part of polite society. Not appearing weaselly to his Nazi friends is more important to him. He has chosen.
        OCASMv2 2y ago
        Polite society doesn't slander so nilly willy in the first place.
    - arp242 2y ago
      > It's not something that happened in isolation. I mean, he built the world's leading online platform for anti-Semitism with his take on Twitter/X. All the classic anti-Semitic tropes are extremely common, people are being hounded with anti-Semitic slurs, etc. Flags on it are basically ignored. Elon Musk himself has even endorsed some anti-Semitic tweets. Concerns about all of that go back years (this is what sparked the ad boycot a few years back). I have a hard time seeing how anyone denying the pattern here is acting in good faith, especially since there's a significantly overlap with people who analyse critics of Israeli policy wrt. the Palestinians to the subatomic level for possible anti-Semitism.

_yb2s 2y ago

This German comedy sketch sums up this situation incredibly well IMO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvgZtdmyKlI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvgZtdmyKlI

StefanBatory 2y ago

https://acoup.blog/2024/10/25/new-acquisitions-1933-and-the-definition-of-fascism/ https://acoup.blog/2024/10/25/new-acquisitions-1933-and-the-... You have some known historians who openly say that Trump fits the criteria for fascism. Republican party? Not really. Trump? Yes.