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Remains to be seen. For now, they are just pausing payments. If they find serious issues they can likely go to congress and have them canceled outright. If no

Remains to be seen. For now, they are just pausing payments. If they find serious issues they can likely go to congress and have them canceled outright. If not, they need to distribute the funds during the fiscal year. I don’t understand the pearl clutching. The government shuts down often due to spending issues. Payments pause when this happens. Moreover, everybody has known for decades that nobody is reading these 50,000 page appropriations bills. I’m willing to give musk and his guys some time to sort this out. The president has asked them to do this. If they go against his wishes there is no reason they will not be thrown under the bus. If he pardons them for obvious malfeasance it will make big political waves and likely change the outcome of the midterm elections, where a congress could begin impeachment.

johnnyanmac 2y ago
>If they find serious issues they can likely go to congress and have them canceled outright uhh, no they can't. Those are also government elected representatives. Checks and balances. To "cancel congress", you need the courts to charge and convict them. You're going to find it very hard to do that from treasury records alone (AKA, how the executive branch spends the money allocated). >I don’t understand the pearl clutching. The government shuts down often due to spending issues. With that dismissal, you're not opening yourself up to understanding. Maybe there's wrongdoing; The answer isn't to charge into the treasury and hack it. That's the stupid part: Musk doesn't need to. He's clearly not TSI/TS clearance level, so he just needs trump to go in and look. Or have trump hire someone with that clearance to look in on his orders. Remember, this is the executive branch; Trump has all access powers here (within reason). >I’m willing to give musk and his guys some time to sort this out. I'm not. I didn't vote for him. You didn't. He was not approved by Senate, as is executive apointee tradition. He does not have clearance. "Asking" isn't enough. Where's this willingness coming from? Even if you just like the guy, you really want the man who laid off 80% of his staff to handle your money? >If they go against his wishes there is no reason they will not be thrown under the bus I can think of 8 or 9 figures why he wouldn't.
- encoderer 2y ago
  You are just wrong here. You misread my comment. The “them” in my 3rd paragraph refers to the paused payments. If it turns out that what congress appropriated funds for is actually fraud, congress will want to know, and can amend that spending retroactive to this fiscal year. How is this controversial to you? Elon Musk was hand picked by the president to do this job. Clearly you do not like the president nor Elon but that is a personal view not held by a majority of voters in the last election.
- Izkata 2y ago
  > He's clearly not TSI/TS clearance level He might be due to SpaceX government contracts. Edit: someone linked below confirmation he does have top secret clearance: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42942848 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42942848
UncleMeat 2y ago
They are not just pausing payments. Huge portions of USAID is being fired. That's not something you can just boot back up over a weekend.

johnnyanmac 2y ago

>If they find serious issues they can likely go to congress and have them canceled outright uhh, no they can't. Those are also government elected representatives. Checks and balances. To "cancel congress", you need the courts to charge and convict them. You're going to find it very hard to do that from treasury records alone (AKA, how the executive branch spends the money allocated). >I don’t understand the pearl clutching. The government shuts down often due to spending issues. With that dismissal, you're not opening yourself up to understanding. Maybe there's wrongdoing; The answer isn't to charge into the treasury and hack it. That's the stupid part: Musk doesn't need to. He's clearly not TSI/TS clearance level, so he just needs trump to go in and look. Or have trump hire someone with that clearance to look in on his orders. Remember, this is the executive branch; Trump has all access powers here (within reason). >I’m willing to give musk and his guys some time to sort this out. I'm not. I didn't vote for him. You didn't. He was not approved by Senate, as is executive apointee tradition. He does not have clearance. "Asking" isn't enough. Where's this willingness coming from? Even if you just like the guy, you really want the man who laid off 80% of his staff to handle your money? >If they go against his wishes there is no reason they will not be thrown under the bus I can think of 8 or 9 figures why he wouldn't.

encoderer 2y ago
You are just wrong here. You misread my comment. The “them” in my 3rd paragraph refers to the paused payments. If it turns out that what congress appropriated funds for is actually fraud, congress will want to know, and can amend that spending retroactive to this fiscal year. How is this controversial to you? Elon Musk was hand picked by the president to do this job. Clearly you do not like the president nor Elon but that is a personal view not held by a majority of voters in the last election.
Izkata 2y ago
> He's clearly not TSI/TS clearance level He might be due to SpaceX government contracts. Edit: someone linked below confirmation he does have top secret clearance: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42942848 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42942848

UncleMeat 2y ago

They are not just pausing payments. Huge portions of USAID is being fired. That's not something you can just boot back up over a weekend.