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Anyone else read the article and say Oracle JET? What is that?

ikesau 2y ago
It is literally for the best if you don't find out, to not legitimize this ridiculous argument they're making that JavaScript hasn't genericized. But because you'll be too curious to resist now, from what I can tell it's a preact bootstrapping script with 500 weekly downloads on NPM.
davidsojevic 2y ago
First time I'd ever heard of it too; I ran straight to Google and it only came up with results for "Breville Oracle Jet Espresso Machine" which interestingly enough Breville seem to hold a trademark on "Oracle" itself in the machines and tools class!
- phpnode 2y ago
  https://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/jet/jetCookbook.html https://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/jet/jetCookbook...
  - ZeWaka 2y ago
    This is really neat, thanks. Their linked Visual Builder Cookbook (https://vbcookbook.oracle.com https://vbcookbook.oracle.com) also is a nice way to internally communicate design patterns.
- bjt12345 2y ago
  I've always sat there wondering if my Breville expresso machine is running Breville JavaScript(c) inside it.
- thayne 2y ago
  Oooh, can we convince Breville to sue Oracle for any software they make that is described as a "tool"? How about the Oracle Java Virtual Machine.
tom1337 2y ago
Yea their CLI has 510 Weekly Downloads on npm and JET itself nearly 1000. https://www.npmjs.com/package/@oracle/ojet-cli https://www.npmjs.com/package/@oracle/ojet-cli https://www.npmjs.com/package/@oracle/oraclejet https://www.npmjs.com/package/@oracle/oraclejet
- realusername 2y ago
  In the Node world that's basically a side project of a single dev.
- dangrossman 2y ago
  A date picker widget I tossed on NPM 13 years ago gets 32,000 downloads per week. 510 a week is background activity, that's indexing bots or one org's CI system.
  - tom1337 2y ago
    I totally agree. I thought about adding a paragraph about how it seems like even oracle themself doesn’t use it on production (cause otherwise it’d have probably more downloads due to developers, CI, you name it) but it is possible they use a internal npm proxy with a cache. Anyway it’s laughable that this package is the reason they base their argument on.
threecheese 2y ago
The npm package for Oracle JET, with ~1000 weekly downloads, has four dependent packages on npm, and if you walk down the dependency tree it’s nearly entirely other Oracle packages or long dead demos/one-shots. That 1,000 weekly downloads could be entirely from CI pipelines for those other Oracle projects. The phone call is coming from inside the house, Larry!
- phpnode 2y ago
  They do have more users than that, but from memory they typically distribute it in some other interesting way - i think there's a CLI that installs and manages it.
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phpnode 2y ago
it's Oracle's UI library that they encourage their official partners to use. I've had the misfortune of doing some consulting for a company that used it, it's actually very fully featured but the internals are totally insane and very dated.
zoom6628 2y ago
It's their JS UI components library. Gets used in oracle apps. Very comprehensive in terms of covering all you need. Another comment opines on its technical soundness.
nnurmanov 2y ago
They did several wrong decisions, first they started building it with old libraries, e.g. JQuery, KnockoutJS, then they they should have opened their no code builder to the public. They are now in the process of porting it to Preact and opened VBCS, but it’s too late. From UI point of view, it is the most complete library

It is literally for the best if you don't find out, to not legitimize this ridiculous argument they're making that JavaScript hasn't genericized. But because you'll be too curious to resist now, from what I can tell it's a preact bootstrapping script with 500 weekly downloads on NPM.

davidsojevic 2y ago

First time I'd ever heard of it too; I ran straight to Google and it only came up with results for "Breville Oracle Jet Espresso Machine" which interestingly enough Breville seem to hold a trademark on "Oracle" itself in the machines and tools class!

phpnode 2y ago
https://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/jet/jetCookbook.html https://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/jet/jetCookbook...
- ZeWaka 2y ago
  This is really neat, thanks. Their linked Visual Builder Cookbook (https://vbcookbook.oracle.com https://vbcookbook.oracle.com) also is a nice way to internally communicate design patterns.
bjt12345 2y ago
I've always sat there wondering if my Breville expresso machine is running Breville JavaScript(c) inside it.
thayne 2y ago
Oooh, can we convince Breville to sue Oracle for any software they make that is described as a "tool"? How about the Oracle Java Virtual Machine.

tom1337 2y ago

Yea their CLI has 510 Weekly Downloads on npm and JET itself nearly 1000. https://www.npmjs.com/package/@oracle/ojet-cli https://www.npmjs.com/package/@oracle/ojet-cli https://www.npmjs.com/package/@oracle/oraclejet https://www.npmjs.com/package/@oracle/oraclejet

realusername 2y ago
In the Node world that's basically a side project of a single dev.
dangrossman 2y ago
A date picker widget I tossed on NPM 13 years ago gets 32,000 downloads per week. 510 a week is background activity, that's indexing bots or one org's CI system.
- tom1337 2y ago
  I totally agree. I thought about adding a paragraph about how it seems like even oracle themself doesn’t use it on production (cause otherwise it’d have probably more downloads due to developers, CI, you name it) but it is possible they use a internal npm proxy with a cache. Anyway it’s laughable that this package is the reason they base their argument on.

threecheese 2y ago

The npm package for Oracle JET, with ~1000 weekly downloads, has four dependent packages on npm, and if you walk down the dependency tree it’s nearly entirely other Oracle packages or long dead demos/one-shots. That 1,000 weekly downloads could be entirely from CI pipelines for those other Oracle projects. The phone call is coming from inside the house, Larry!

phpnode 2y ago
They do have more users than that, but from memory they typically distribute it in some other interesting way - i think there's a CLI that installs and manages it.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]

phpnode 2y ago

it's Oracle's UI library that they encourage their official partners to use. I've had the misfortune of doing some consulting for a company that used it, it's actually very fully featured but the internals are totally insane and very dated.

zoom6628 2y ago

It's their JS UI components library. Gets used in oracle apps. Very comprehensive in terms of covering all you need. Another comment opines on its technical soundness.

nnurmanov 2y ago

They did several wrong decisions, first they started building it with old libraries, e.g. JQuery, KnockoutJS, then they they should have opened their no code builder to the public. They are now in the process of porting it to Preact and opened VBCS, but it’s too late. From UI point of view, it is the most complete library