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It should be noted that the FAA is facing a lawsuit alleging it discriminated against capable candidates[1]. If this is true, this surely must factor into the

by Khaine 2y ago

It should be noted that the FAA is facing a lawsuit alleging it discriminated against capable candidates[1]. If this is true, this surely must factor into the shortage of air traffic controllers. Admittedly, its a big if, and second even if it is true it is not clear to me how much of a factor this is in the shortage. [1] https://mslegal.org/cases/brigida-v-faa/ https://mslegal.org/cases/brigida-v-faa/

Graziano_M 2y ago
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- DangitBobby 2y ago
  It truly boggles my mind that Trump may have a legitimate basis for alleging that DEI policies have contributed to issues with ATC staffing. > First, to liberals: > I dislike Trump as much as anyone. Maybe I’m not supposed to play my hand like that while reporting a news article, but it’s true. I’ve wanted him out of politics since he entered the scene a decade ago, I voted against him three elections in a row, and I think he’s had a uniquely destructive effect within US politics. So I understand—please believe, I understand—just how disquieting it is to watch him stand up and blame DEI after a major tragedy. > But Democrats did not handle it. The scandal occurred under the Obama administration. The FAA minimized it, obscured it, fought FOIA requests through multiple lawsuits, and stonewalled the public for years as the class action lawsuit rolled forward. The Trump administration missed it, too, for a term, and it’s likely most officials simply didn’t hear about it through the first few years of the Biden administration. No outlets left of Fox Business bothered to provide more than a cursory examination of it, and it never made much of a dent on the official record. Even when the New York Times ran a thoroughly reported article on air traffic controller shortages late last year, it never touched the scandal. It was possible to miss it.
  - userbinator 2y ago
    Either he's a broken clock that's right twice a day, or a Stallman equivalent who was just dismissed as crazy until the truth was too big to ignore.
  - mjmsmith 2y ago
    Seems like bad news for minorities either way. Even if the lawsuit is dismissed, who would want to take on one of the most stressful jobs now knowing that if something goes wrong, millions of racist white people (including the president) will feel emboldened to blame you because of your skin color?
    - fastball 2y ago
      Yes, this is why anything like affirmative action was always a terrible idea. If relevant to who gets hired, you are literally discriminating against candidates on the basis of race. If irrelevant, you still have the "maybe they're just an affirmative action hire" pall hanging over those people. Nobody wins.
      - mjmsmith 2y ago
        So how do you address structural discrimination in American society, including the workplace? (If your answer is "it doesn't exist", please flag me and move on.)
        fastball 2y ago
        Depends on where the structural discrimination is and what form it is taking. "American society" is a little broad – I don't think there is a single solution (at that scale) which will do more good than harm.
    - ars 2y ago
      The article does not imply that they reduced standards in order to let DEI student pass. Rather they added an insane biographical test that only DEI students could pass, with the net effect of dramatically reducing the availability of ATC's. i.e. a minority ATC is just as qualified, but there are far fewer white ATC than there should be.
burner20250204 2y ago
The Brigida case has been the subtext of recent news stories: Trump was likely referencing it with his DEI comments about the FAA. Pete Buttigieg's tweet response (acting as if Trump's accusation was coming completely out of left field, when there's literally a case named "Brigida v. Buttigieg"): https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1885013865676562491 https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1885013865676562491

by Khaine 2y ago

Graziano_M 2y ago

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DangitBobby 2y ago
It truly boggles my mind that Trump may have a legitimate basis for alleging that DEI policies have contributed to issues with ATC staffing. > First, to liberals: > I dislike Trump as much as anyone. Maybe I’m not supposed to play my hand like that while reporting a news article, but it’s true. I’ve wanted him out of politics since he entered the scene a decade ago, I voted against him three elections in a row, and I think he’s had a uniquely destructive effect within US politics. So I understand—please believe, I understand—just how disquieting it is to watch him stand up and blame DEI after a major tragedy. > But Democrats did not handle it. The scandal occurred under the Obama administration. The FAA minimized it, obscured it, fought FOIA requests through multiple lawsuits, and stonewalled the public for years as the class action lawsuit rolled forward. The Trump administration missed it, too, for a term, and it’s likely most officials simply didn’t hear about it through the first few years of the Biden administration. No outlets left of Fox Business bothered to provide more than a cursory examination of it, and it never made much of a dent on the official record. Even when the New York Times ran a thoroughly reported article on air traffic controller shortages late last year, it never touched the scandal. It was possible to miss it.
- userbinator 2y ago
  Either he's a broken clock that's right twice a day, or a Stallman equivalent who was just dismissed as crazy until the truth was too big to ignore.
- mjmsmith 2y ago
  Seems like bad news for minorities either way. Even if the lawsuit is dismissed, who would want to take on one of the most stressful jobs now knowing that if something goes wrong, millions of racist white people (including the president) will feel emboldened to blame you because of your skin color?
  - fastball 2y ago
    Yes, this is why anything like affirmative action was always a terrible idea. If relevant to who gets hired, you are literally discriminating against candidates on the basis of race. If irrelevant, you still have the "maybe they're just an affirmative action hire" pall hanging over those people. Nobody wins.
    - mjmsmith 2y ago
      So how do you address structural discrimination in American society, including the workplace? (If your answer is "it doesn't exist", please flag me and move on.)
      - fastball 2y ago
        Depends on where the structural discrimination is and what form it is taking. "American society" is a little broad – I don't think there is a single solution (at that scale) which will do more good than harm.
  - ars 2y ago
    The article does not imply that they reduced standards in order to let DEI student pass. Rather they added an insane biographical test that only DEI students could pass, with the net effect of dramatically reducing the availability of ATC's. i.e. a minority ATC is just as qualified, but there are far fewer white ATC than there should be.

burner20250204 2y ago

The Brigida case has been the subtext of recent news stories: Trump was likely referencing it with his DEI comments about the FAA. Pete Buttigieg's tweet response (acting as if Trump's accusation was coming completely out of left field, when there's literally a case named "Brigida v. Buttigieg"): https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1885013865676562491 https://x.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1885013865676562491