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Very funny.. where is the compensation money coming from? Taxes, right? Who pays the most in taxes - the people in the urban area.. So, a bunch of people voted

by vaidhy 2y ago

Very funny.. where is the compensation money coming from? Taxes, right? Who pays the most in taxes - the people in the urban area.. So, a bunch of people voted to spend their money to ensure wolves are reintroduced and you are saying they do not feel the effects of it? Obviously, there is more far reaching consequences than just money, but that means you need to listen to the experts and take their opinion. If it is just majority opinion, it is clear what the opinion is.

dgfitz 2y ago
You must not have read the article. They spend so little in taxes for any given individual it becomes a rounding error.
- fundad 2y ago
  That's because there are urban areas that are highly populated with people who have more income to be taxed.
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    Man this makes me laugh. The people with the money voted to approve a measure the hurts the people without money. People wonder why we have the administration we have.
    - fundad 2y ago
      Lol they voted for a wealth transfer to ranchers, to wolf-rangers and to the handlers who reintroduce the wolves. It’s not like they voted to return rural areas to native Americans.
giantg2 2y ago
"Very funny.. where is the compensation money coming from? Taxes, right?" Is it? In other states it comes from the department that oversees fish and game, which is primarily funded from hunting and fishing licenses.
hagbard_c 2y ago
No, they are not paying the costs no matter whether they're paying most of the taxes. To make them pay the cost you'd have to transplant these city dwellers into the boonies, denying them access to their favourite entertainments, keep the far away from all the things which they consider essential to their city lifestyles. Oh, they'll have food, they'll have a roof over their heads and they can surely find work at the local factory or supermarket so why are they complaining that they're being starved of all the things which make life worth living for them? The factory pays them, doesn't it? The roof does not leak? If they want entertainment they can go to a barn dance or to the local pub where the Good Ol' Boys are playing last centuries greatest hits so stop complaining about there not being any good coffee shops, avant garde theaters, second-hand bookshops with philosophy circles, activist cooperatives for the underdeveloped people in faraway places and that everybody keeps on wearing those silly feed store caps.
- vaidhy 2y ago
  At this point, I do not know if this is sarcasm or an actual reply.. it is whooshing over my head :)
defrost 2y ago
From the aticle they're not feeling the full effects by a long shot. Their taxes are being used to pay compensation for wolf kills, from the article that's the price of a single ungrown calf. The cost to the rancher is, again according to the article, the loss of the full grown cow the calf would grow to AND a reduction (10% ?) in birth numbers and calf weights in the herd overall which witnessed the wolf attack on the calf. The birth reductions and weight numbers come from agricultural stats which ranchers and farmers keep these past decades, it's a data driven business, and we can hope these are accurately reported. These claims are being made but they're apparently swamping the compensation fund setup. Perhaps if they want healthy rivers with more plant growth then they might achieve this by hunting more elk, even using elk bounties, rather than wolves that harrass and stress the herds.

by vaidhy 2y ago

dgfitz 2y ago

You must not have read the article. They spend so little in taxes for any given individual it becomes a rounding error.

fundad 2y ago
That's because there are urban areas that are highly populated with people who have more income to be taxed.
- dgfitz 2y ago
  Man this makes me laugh. The people with the money voted to approve a measure the hurts the people without money. People wonder why we have the administration we have.
  - fundad 2y ago
    Lol they voted for a wealth transfer to ranchers, to wolf-rangers and to the handlers who reintroduce the wolves. It’s not like they voted to return rural areas to native Americans.

giantg2 2y ago

"Very funny.. where is the compensation money coming from? Taxes, right?" Is it? In other states it comes from the department that oversees fish and game, which is primarily funded from hunting and fishing licenses.

hagbard_c 2y ago

No, they are not paying the costs no matter whether they're paying most of the taxes. To make them pay the cost you'd have to transplant these city dwellers into the boonies, denying them access to their favourite entertainments, keep the far away from all the things which they consider essential to their city lifestyles. Oh, they'll have food, they'll have a roof over their heads and they can surely find work at the local factory or supermarket so why are they complaining that they're being starved of all the things which make life worth living for them? The factory pays them, doesn't it? The roof does not leak? If they want entertainment they can go to a barn dance or to the local pub where the Good Ol' Boys are playing last centuries greatest hits so stop complaining about there not being any good coffee shops, avant garde theaters, second-hand bookshops with philosophy circles, activist cooperatives for the underdeveloped people in faraway places and that everybody keeps on wearing those silly feed store caps.

vaidhy 2y ago
At this point, I do not know if this is sarcasm or an actual reply.. it is whooshing over my head :)

defrost 2y ago

From the aticle they're not feeling the full effects by a long shot. Their taxes are being used to pay compensation for wolf kills, from the article that's the price of a single ungrown calf. The cost to the rancher is, again according to the article, the loss of the full grown cow the calf would grow to AND a reduction (10% ?) in birth numbers and calf weights in the herd overall which witnessed the wolf attack on the calf. The birth reductions and weight numbers come from agricultural stats which ranchers and farmers keep these past decades, it's a data driven business, and we can hope these are accurately reported. These claims are being made but they're apparently swamping the compensation fund setup. Perhaps if they want healthy rivers with more plant growth then they might achieve this by hunting more elk, even using elk bounties, rather than wolves that harrass and stress the herds.