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I think some demographic info can be useful in judging the potential uptake. Apple iPhone ownership amongst USA teens: 2024: 87% 2019: 83% 2014: 67% https:

by canucker2016 2y ago

I think some demographic info can be useful in judging the potential uptake. Apple iPhone ownership amongst USA teens: 2024: 87% 2019: 83% 2014: 67% https://www.iclarified.com/95177/87-of-us-teens-own-iphones-and-30-plan-to-upgrade-for-apple-intelligence-report https://www.iclarified.com/95177/87-of-us-teens-own-iphones-... https://www.pipersandler.com/news/piper-jaffray-completes-semi-annual-generation-z-survey-8000-us-teens https://www.pipersandler.com/news/piper-jaffray-completes-se... https://www.pipersandler.com/news/different-new-cool-according-piper-jaffray-survey-7200-teens https://www.pipersandler.com/news/different-new-cool-accordi... Smartphone marketshare for iPhone in various countries: 65%: Norway 59%: Sweden/Japan/Canada/USA 49%: UK 30-39%: Germany/Portugal/Italy other countries are lower from my random sampling of developed countries (South Korea is dominated by Samsung). Source: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/norway https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/norway Change last part of url to get info for another country

talldayo 2y ago
> Creation of invitations requires an iCloud+ subscription. I really wonder what the uptake is on iCloud+ subscriptions.
- echoangle 2y ago
  Don’t you need to get iCloud+ if you want to have more than 5GB iCloud storage? I would guess it’s probably more than 80% of users.
  - bombcar 2y ago
    That's where most of it comes from - iCloud+ is different than Apple One. iCloud+ for 2TB is priced just where if you have ONE other Apple service, you're probably better off with Apple One. (I admit I misread this whole thing as being a feature of Apple One.)
- jxdxbx 2y ago
  I switched to iCloud for my personal email once it supported personal domains (switched from Fastmail). It’s all I need really. Work is Gmail of course, with its annoying-in-retrospect tagging system instead of folders, which causes havoc with traditional mail apps.
- crazygringo 2y ago
  Pretty high I suspect, since you need it if you want to back up more that 5 GB. If you keep photos and videos without dealing with a separate service, it's pretty much a no-brainer. And the cheapest tier is $0.99/mo. for 50 GB so it's not exactly breaking the bank.
  - m463 2y ago
    > And the cheapest tier is $0.99/mo. for 50 GB so it's not exactly breaking the bank. This is a huge trick. Like any other service where the most friction is setting up billing... then they can increase the price easily. Do upgrades to other tiers require confirmation?
    - crazygringo 2y ago
      You have to explicitly upgrade. There's no trick as far as I can tell. And they haven't increased the price of the $0.99 tier ever, and it's been around for 8 years I think. I don't think they've ever increased the price of any storage plan in the US ever -- prices in other countries have changed but that seems to do more with currency fluctuations. Apple is known for their transparent pricing and easy cancellation. I don't think there are any tricks here.
      - m463 2y ago
        > There's no trick as far as I can tell. I think that is the trick. 99 cents is so innocuous, that people set up billing to allow it. People who set up their apple id without a credit card will probably attach a card to their account to get the 99 cent storage "deal". At that point, upgrading to the next tier is inevitable as phones have been steadily increasing in storage capacity. I think it would be nicer if your icloud storage capacity matched your primary device.
        sib 2y ago
        I think that nearly everyone who has an iPhone (at least who didn't get their phone deeply discounted second-hand) has a payment method set up with Apple. I don't remember the numbers from when I had to know ~5 years ago, but it was in excess of 95% in the US.
- plandis 2y ago
  Not sure but services overall is one of Apples fastest growing business segments.
- physicles 2y ago
  I avoided subscribing for years out of principle, just backed up my photos locally (which they make as painful as possible — afaik it’s not possible to just plug your phone into a Linux machine and grab all the new photos). I finally caved a few months ago when I got tired of fighting with the awful backup storage UI that makes it difficult to determine why the backup is failing even though it’s smaller than 5GB. Apple has every incentive to make that UI as bad as possible while still being functional.
  - ZeroTalent 2y ago
    But, in my experience, it's extremely fast. Noticeably faster syncing than Dropbox. And even the Windows client is being constantly updated.
_ea1k 2y ago
Yeah, and they'll likely make this Appley only to create social pressure for even more uptake. Yuck
- Salgat 2y ago
  Unless you use their inferior web version that pressures you into also getting an iphone.
johnofthesea 2y ago
I remember seeing everyone with iPhone >10 years ago in Norway. Then it dropped - it was pretty visible that is why I remember. Haven't been paying attention about last ~4 years.
green_leaves 2y ago
Norway data from statcounter doesn't seem reliable. In just 4 months, July->October 2024, there's a 14% upswing in iphone total marketshare. Which implies that at least 14% of users bought a new phone, assuming (wrongly) that everybody would have changed from Android to iPhone (ignoring also deceases and teenagers getting their first phone). And the period doesn't even include Black Friday or Christmas. And barely the iPhone 16 launch that happened in September 20, 2024.
- varjag 2y ago
  I dunno most people I know here do appear to have iphones. And many of those who have an Android seemingly have an iPhone as work or personal device in addition. So 60+ percent doesn't sound unlikely.
- dubcanada 2y ago
  statcounter just uses data from website traffic, it's nothing more then Google Analytics So the 14% increase is probably a single or few site(s) getting a insane amount of traffic.
- ZeroTalent 2y ago
  Samsung shoot itself in the foot as a phone manufacturer in the last 2 years. Battery life, forced apps, ads, and a pretty bad implementation of the Android OS while trying to sell the phone at the same price as the iPhone. The S24 ultra still has an ancient 3x cam that has been left unchanged since the S21 ultra. It's hard to compete when Apple has the Macbook + iPhone synergy/ecosystem advantage.

talldayo 2y ago

> Creation of invitations requires an iCloud+ subscription. I really wonder what the uptake is on iCloud+ subscriptions.

echoangle 2y ago
Don’t you need to get iCloud+ if you want to have more than 5GB iCloud storage? I would guess it’s probably more than 80% of users.
- bombcar 2y ago
  That's where most of it comes from - iCloud+ is different than Apple One. iCloud+ for 2TB is priced just where if you have ONE other Apple service, you're probably better off with Apple One. (I admit I misread this whole thing as being a feature of Apple One.)
jxdxbx 2y ago
I switched to iCloud for my personal email once it supported personal domains (switched from Fastmail). It’s all I need really. Work is Gmail of course, with its annoying-in-retrospect tagging system instead of folders, which causes havoc with traditional mail apps.
crazygringo 2y ago
Pretty high I suspect, since you need it if you want to back up more that 5 GB. If you keep photos and videos without dealing with a separate service, it's pretty much a no-brainer. And the cheapest tier is $0.99/mo. for 50 GB so it's not exactly breaking the bank.
- m463 2y ago
  > And the cheapest tier is $0.99/mo. for 50 GB so it's not exactly breaking the bank. This is a huge trick. Like any other service where the most friction is setting up billing... then they can increase the price easily. Do upgrades to other tiers require confirmation?
  - crazygringo 2y ago
    You have to explicitly upgrade. There's no trick as far as I can tell. And they haven't increased the price of the $0.99 tier ever, and it's been around for 8 years I think. I don't think they've ever increased the price of any storage plan in the US ever -- prices in other countries have changed but that seems to do more with currency fluctuations. Apple is known for their transparent pricing and easy cancellation. I don't think there are any tricks here.
    - m463 2y ago
      > There's no trick as far as I can tell. I think that is the trick. 99 cents is so innocuous, that people set up billing to allow it. People who set up their apple id without a credit card will probably attach a card to their account to get the 99 cent storage "deal". At that point, upgrading to the next tier is inevitable as phones have been steadily increasing in storage capacity. I think it would be nicer if your icloud storage capacity matched your primary device.
      - sib 2y ago
        I think that nearly everyone who has an iPhone (at least who didn't get their phone deeply discounted second-hand) has a payment method set up with Apple. I don't remember the numbers from when I had to know ~5 years ago, but it was in excess of 95% in the US.
plandis 2y ago
Not sure but services overall is one of Apples fastest growing business segments.
physicles 2y ago
I avoided subscribing for years out of principle, just backed up my photos locally (which they make as painful as possible — afaik it’s not possible to just plug your phone into a Linux machine and grab all the new photos). I finally caved a few months ago when I got tired of fighting with the awful backup storage UI that makes it difficult to determine why the backup is failing even though it’s smaller than 5GB. Apple has every incentive to make that UI as bad as possible while still being functional.
- ZeroTalent 2y ago
  But, in my experience, it's extremely fast. Noticeably faster syncing than Dropbox. And even the Windows client is being constantly updated.

_ea1k 2y ago

Yeah, and they'll likely make this Appley only to create social pressure for even more uptake. Yuck

Salgat 2y ago
Unless you use their inferior web version that pressures you into also getting an iphone.

johnofthesea 2y ago

I remember seeing everyone with iPhone >10 years ago in Norway. Then it dropped - it was pretty visible that is why I remember. Haven't been paying attention about last ~4 years.

green_leaves 2y ago

Norway data from statcounter doesn't seem reliable. In just 4 months, July->October 2024, there's a 14% upswing in iphone total marketshare. Which implies that at least 14% of users bought a new phone, assuming (wrongly) that everybody would have changed from Android to iPhone (ignoring also deceases and teenagers getting their first phone). And the period doesn't even include Black Friday or Christmas. And barely the iPhone 16 launch that happened in September 20, 2024.

varjag 2y ago
I dunno most people I know here do appear to have iphones. And many of those who have an Android seemingly have an iPhone as work or personal device in addition. So 60+ percent doesn't sound unlikely.
dubcanada 2y ago
statcounter just uses data from website traffic, it's nothing more then Google Analytics So the 14% increase is probably a single or few site(s) getting a insane amount of traffic.
ZeroTalent 2y ago
Samsung shoot itself in the foot as a phone manufacturer in the last 2 years. Battery life, forced apps, ads, and a pretty bad implementation of the Android OS while trying to sell the phone at the same price as the iPhone. The S24 ultra still has an ancient 3x cam that has been left unchanged since the S21 ultra. It's hard to compete when Apple has the Macbook + iPhone synergy/ecosystem advantage.