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Why? Does the color affect functionality or are we going to pass laws based on feelings?

dwaltrip 2y ago
Hate to break it to ya, everything humans do is fundamentally affected by feelings.
echelon 2y ago
> are we going to pass laws based on feelings? This is very concrete fuckery. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/21/apple-doj-antitrust-lawsuit-00148189 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/21/apple-doj-antitrust... https://www.npr.org/2024/03/28/1241473453/why-green-text-bubble-stigma-is-part-of-the-anti-trust-case-against-apple https://www.npr.org/2024/03/28/1241473453/why-green-text-bub... https://techcrunch.com/2024/03/21/doj-claims-green-bubbles-are-an-issue-in-iphone-monopoly-suit/ https://techcrunch.com/2024/03/21/doj-claims-green-bubbles-a...
- simplify 2y ago
  The concrete fuckery: (Politico) Lower video quality (NPR) Feeling unwelcome (TechCrunch) Peer pressure
TheDong 2y ago
It does. If you try to send a photo in an inferior green bubble chat, you get an error. Face time calls don’t work. The text is harder to read for me because it’s low contrast and can’t be configured. It’s significantly less secure, and a government agent required I use blue bubble imessage to submit an important document for security, and wouldn’t accept it by sms or email since both were not secure enough
- astrange 2y ago
  That should work now because of RCS. Email is secure enough though. People make up security rules in their heads all the time, doesn't mean it's true.
  - flutas 2y ago
    Tbh Apple's RCS implementation is so buggy it almost has me on the "they added bugs to keep people off of it" conspiracy train. As in, during a conversation my phone would send RCS and the iPhone would reply with SMS only. This has happened multiple times with multiple people, and some where RCS won't let us communicate - the messages just disappear into the void, but only when sent from the iPhone. https://i.imgur.com/FrMfECA.png https://i.imgur.com/FrMfECA.png
    - Aloisius 2y ago
      This happens in Android to Android too, especially with Samsung Messages. A lot of carrier's RCS implementations are buggy.
  - whimsicalism 2y ago
    apple has intentionally handicapped rcs and it is still ongoing
- Spivak 2y ago
  What are you talking about? Photos have worked in MSS group chats for 10+ years now. They send as shit quality but they work. And now mixed group chats are RCS which has all the important features of iMessage.
  - TheDong 2y ago
    The error tells me to turn on MMS, which is already on. RCS isn’t an obvious option anywhere
    - Aloisius 2y ago
      Settings > Apps > Messages > RCS Messaging If it isn't there, About > Settings > General > About and tap the Carrier row. If it doesn't say RCS, the carrier doesn't support it. Also one should note, MMS also requires carrier support and a few carriers don't support it in some countries. There's a list of supported features for carriers worldwide at https://support.apple.com/en-gb/108048 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/108048
      - TheDong 2y ago
        Got it, I'll move to a country that supports RCS at my earliest convenience, and also not message anyone while I'm roaming to another carrier on vacation. My carrier should support MMS, but I haven't yet had it work (and inbound messages to my number, like the picture of a family-member's wedding invite sent to my phone number, just silently vanish into the void)... I just kinda assumed it was working as expected since I'd heard so much about the green bubble issues.
- jerlam 2y ago
  Sending a message should just default to MMS, which I agree is lower quality especially for videos, but shouldn't get an error. I'm in multiple group chats with Android users and it's fine other than videos, which are from 2005. I think SMS/MMS should just go away entirely though.
  - TheDong 2y ago
    On my device it always gives me an error telling me to turn on MMS, which is turned on of course. No, rebooting the phone doesn’t change anything, thanks for suggesting it
- retetr 2y ago
  If you're in the U.S. and a "government agent" told you to use iMessage, you are 100% being scammed. No way they would accept anything less secure than a fax message or a document portal that looks like it was set up in the 90's.
  - TheDong 2y ago
    It was certainly not a scam as the process completed successfully after iMessage-ing the required documents. It wasn't the US though, yeah, but rather some american working for a foreign country's government.

Hate to break it to ya, everything humans do is fundamentally affected by feelings.

> are we going to pass laws based on feelings? This is very concrete fuckery. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/21/apple-doj-antitrust-lawsuit-00148189 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/21/apple-doj-antitrust... https://www.npr.org/2024/03/28/1241473453/why-green-text-bubble-stigma-is-part-of-the-anti-trust-case-against-apple https://www.npr.org/2024/03/28/1241473453/why-green-text-bub... https://techcrunch.com/2024/03/21/doj-claims-green-bubbles-are-an-issue-in-iphone-monopoly-suit/ https://techcrunch.com/2024/03/21/doj-claims-green-bubbles-a...

simplify 2y ago
The concrete fuckery: (Politico) Lower video quality (NPR) Feeling unwelcome (TechCrunch) Peer pressure

TheDong 2y ago

It does. If you try to send a photo in an inferior green bubble chat, you get an error. Face time calls don’t work. The text is harder to read for me because it’s low contrast and can’t be configured. It’s significantly less secure, and a government agent required I use blue bubble imessage to submit an important document for security, and wouldn’t accept it by sms or email since both were not secure enough

astrange 2y ago
That should work now because of RCS. Email is secure enough though. People make up security rules in their heads all the time, doesn't mean it's true.
- flutas 2y ago
  Tbh Apple's RCS implementation is so buggy it almost has me on the "they added bugs to keep people off of it" conspiracy train. As in, during a conversation my phone would send RCS and the iPhone would reply with SMS only. This has happened multiple times with multiple people, and some where RCS won't let us communicate - the messages just disappear into the void, but only when sent from the iPhone. https://i.imgur.com/FrMfECA.png https://i.imgur.com/FrMfECA.png
  - Aloisius 2y ago
    This happens in Android to Android too, especially with Samsung Messages. A lot of carrier's RCS implementations are buggy.
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  apple has intentionally handicapped rcs and it is still ongoing
Spivak 2y ago
What are you talking about? Photos have worked in MSS group chats for 10+ years now. They send as shit quality but they work. And now mixed group chats are RCS which has all the important features of iMessage.
- TheDong 2y ago
  The error tells me to turn on MMS, which is already on. RCS isn’t an obvious option anywhere
  - Aloisius 2y ago
    Settings > Apps > Messages > RCS Messaging If it isn't there, About > Settings > General > About and tap the Carrier row. If it doesn't say RCS, the carrier doesn't support it. Also one should note, MMS also requires carrier support and a few carriers don't support it in some countries. There's a list of supported features for carriers worldwide at https://support.apple.com/en-gb/108048 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/108048
    - TheDong 2y ago
      Got it, I'll move to a country that supports RCS at my earliest convenience, and also not message anyone while I'm roaming to another carrier on vacation. My carrier should support MMS, but I haven't yet had it work (and inbound messages to my number, like the picture of a family-member's wedding invite sent to my phone number, just silently vanish into the void)... I just kinda assumed it was working as expected since I'd heard so much about the green bubble issues.
jerlam 2y ago
Sending a message should just default to MMS, which I agree is lower quality especially for videos, but shouldn't get an error. I'm in multiple group chats with Android users and it's fine other than videos, which are from 2005. I think SMS/MMS should just go away entirely though.
- TheDong 2y ago
  On my device it always gives me an error telling me to turn on MMS, which is turned on of course. No, rebooting the phone doesn’t change anything, thanks for suggesting it
retetr 2y ago
If you're in the U.S. and a "government agent" told you to use iMessage, you are 100% being scammed. No way they would accept anything less secure than a fax message or a document portal that looks like it was set up in the 90's.
- TheDong 2y ago
  It was certainly not a scam as the process completed successfully after iMessage-ing the required documents. It wasn't the US though, yeah, but rather some american working for a foreign country's government.