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>Again, aside from a slight eye roll, who is hurt or offended by us saying the phrase "master/slave" less? If you add up all the discomfort caused by being for

>Again, aside from a slight eye roll, who is hurt or offended by us saying the phrase "master/slave" less? If you add up all the discomfort caused by being forced to change vocabulary. The man-hours wasted changing documentation everywhere. The time wasted, re-learning which were words weren't suddenly taboo. Then this is not some small quantity, however you want to quantify it. You basically taxed all of us... and though the tax was perhaps small per person, the total wasn't. Effort better spent elsewhere. Political capital wasted on nonsense. If you only saw eye rolls, it was because those rolling their eyes knew better than to say anything then. They picked their battles, and now what we see happening right now is a consequence of all that. >This attack on anything DEI is meant to terrorize and strike fear into anyone who isn't a straight white male. I'm reminded of the study that said something like 95% of the jobs created in the DEI era went to those who weren't white. Which might make sense if they were only 5% of the population. Thank goodness that the election tally wasn't predicated on that same notion of "fairness". >It's weaponizing decades of progress Progress towards what, exactly? And why would I want to progress towards whatever that is? It's only progress if it happens to be the "direction you want to go", but I don't think I want to go in that direction.

gkoberger 2y ago
"Progress towards what, exactly?" It wasn't until the 1960s that segregation in public places was made illegal. 1990s that the ADA prohibits discrimination against people with disabilities. It wasn't until the 2010s that gay marriage was legalized, and 2020s that it was ruled you can't discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation or gender identity. It took decades for many marginalized communities to be legally even allowed to have certain jobs due to their gender or color of their skin, and now those qualities are yet again being used to prevent them from employment under the implication that anyone who isn't a straight white male is a DEI hire.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
  >It wasn't until the 1960s that segregation in public places was made illegal. 1990s that the ADA prohibits discrimination against people with disabilities. It wasn't until the 2010s that gay marriage was legalized, and 2020s that it was ruled you can't discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation or gender identity. All of that sounds wonderful to you, I'm sure. I don't even know what "gender identity" is supposed to mean though... it's one of those shared cultural delusions that is opaque to those who aren't a part of the culture. You believe it to be a real phenomenon because others believe it with you, and you wouldn't really fit in if you didn't. And "gay marriage" is laughably sad. That's your victory of progress? It will be nice to see it all rolled back. Pendulums swing.
  - WhyIsItAlwaysHN 2y ago
    The year is 2025. You have an internet browser. Look up the concepts you don't understand. How are you so certain about a phenomenon not existing when you have no idea about it? Do you apply the same filters to everything else you don't understand? Also be careful with wishing for "progress" to be rolled back. First it's other peoples' freedom to live their lives how they want to and then it's yours.
    - NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
      >Look up the concepts you don't understand. Looking it up wouldn't help, because these aren't objective phenomenon. They're just nonsense. It'd be like trying to understand what it feels like to be a schizophrenic by reading the wikipedia page. My inability to understand is just a way of framing something for you... to show that, in many ways, we don't even live on the same planet. And I don't want to live on yours. I don't want to become the schizophrenic, so to speak. >How are you so certain about a phenomenon not existing when When you're outside of it, it's plainly clear. To the person who isn't a schizophrenic they can be 100% certain that there are no voices to hear. It's not the CIA blocking the mind-waves beamed down from the government satellites... it just doesn't exist. Not that my assertions can convince the crazy guy. >First it's other peoples' freedom to live their lives how they want to and then it's yours. If you bothered to reason through that, you'd see it for being false. That must not be true for everyone, even in the imaginary scenarios you have nightmares about. For some, at least, sometimes they really do just stop when they're done doing what they wanted to do, and cross no other lines. I'm pretty confident which side of the line I stand on. Find more sophisticated propaganda, I suppose, is the only advice I have for you.
sanktanglia 2y ago
Lol what do you define as the "dei era" ? I think if during any timeframe 95% of new hires were non white people would notice. This is the real nonsense
- gkoberger 2y ago
  Yeah, the lack of a source makes it clear this is BS. It's based in a bit of truth. Yes, there were 300,000 jobs created in 2021, and 94% did go to people of color. However, these were non-professional roles (service workers, laborers) that were coming back as COVID died down. As far as new executive, managerial and professional roles, the share of people of color increased by just 2%. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-e...
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
    So which is it? Is it clear that it's BS, or is it "based a bit in truth"? Do you think that all white people are executives and professionals, such that they don't need laborer/service jobs?

gkoberger 2y ago

"Progress towards what, exactly?" It wasn't until the 1960s that segregation in public places was made illegal. 1990s that the ADA prohibits discrimination against people with disabilities. It wasn't until the 2010s that gay marriage was legalized, and 2020s that it was ruled you can't discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation or gender identity. It took decades for many marginalized communities to be legally even allowed to have certain jobs due to their gender or color of their skin, and now those qualities are yet again being used to prevent them from employment under the implication that anyone who isn't a straight white male is a DEI hire.

NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
>It wasn't until the 1960s that segregation in public places was made illegal. 1990s that the ADA prohibits discrimination against people with disabilities. It wasn't until the 2010s that gay marriage was legalized, and 2020s that it was ruled you can't discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation or gender identity. All of that sounds wonderful to you, I'm sure. I don't even know what "gender identity" is supposed to mean though... it's one of those shared cultural delusions that is opaque to those who aren't a part of the culture. You believe it to be a real phenomenon because others believe it with you, and you wouldn't really fit in if you didn't. And "gay marriage" is laughably sad. That's your victory of progress? It will be nice to see it all rolled back. Pendulums swing.
- WhyIsItAlwaysHN 2y ago
  The year is 2025. You have an internet browser. Look up the concepts you don't understand. How are you so certain about a phenomenon not existing when you have no idea about it? Do you apply the same filters to everything else you don't understand? Also be careful with wishing for "progress" to be rolled back. First it's other peoples' freedom to live their lives how they want to and then it's yours.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
    >Look up the concepts you don't understand. Looking it up wouldn't help, because these aren't objective phenomenon. They're just nonsense. It'd be like trying to understand what it feels like to be a schizophrenic by reading the wikipedia page. My inability to understand is just a way of framing something for you... to show that, in many ways, we don't even live on the same planet. And I don't want to live on yours. I don't want to become the schizophrenic, so to speak. >How are you so certain about a phenomenon not existing when When you're outside of it, it's plainly clear. To the person who isn't a schizophrenic they can be 100% certain that there are no voices to hear. It's not the CIA blocking the mind-waves beamed down from the government satellites... it just doesn't exist. Not that my assertions can convince the crazy guy. >First it's other peoples' freedom to live their lives how they want to and then it's yours. If you bothered to reason through that, you'd see it for being false. That must not be true for everyone, even in the imaginary scenarios you have nightmares about. For some, at least, sometimes they really do just stop when they're done doing what they wanted to do, and cross no other lines. I'm pretty confident which side of the line I stand on. Find more sophisticated propaganda, I suppose, is the only advice I have for you.

sanktanglia 2y ago

Lol what do you define as the "dei era" ? I think if during any timeframe 95% of new hires were non white people would notice. This is the real nonsense

gkoberger 2y ago
Yeah, the lack of a source makes it clear this is BS. It's based in a bit of truth. Yes, there were 300,000 jobs created in 2021, and 94% did go to people of color. However, these were non-professional roles (service workers, laborers) that were coming back as COVID died down. As far as new executive, managerial and professional roles, the share of people of color increased by just 2%. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-e...
- NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
  So which is it? Is it clear that it's BS, or is it "based a bit in truth"? Do you think that all white people are executives and professionals, such that they don't need laborer/service jobs?