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How is this possible with any auditing/compliance framework in place? Any basic framework that I have been part of, the developers can't have access to product

How is this possible with any auditing/compliance framework in place? Any basic framework that I have been part of, the developers can't have access to production, and we have to show rigorous testing processes are passed before we update production.

ActionHank 2y ago
Because they are being guided by the rigor of trust me bro.
- RGamma 2y ago
  "I know how to code, therefore I know everything."
  - 1vuio0pswjnm7 2y ago
    More like, "Therefore, I know nothing because instead of learning about life through experience I have wasted years playing with a computer instead."
dragonwriter 2y ago
> How is this possible with any auditing/compliance framework in place? It is not, what happened is someone said “I have authority from the President which trumps your ‘frameworks’ and ‘processes’, and if you fight me on this you will be fired and then we’ll bring in your replacement with the same deal and repeat as necessary until there is compliance with our demands”.
- disqard 2y ago
  Yes, it is not "turtles all the way down" (or code/processes/law). The "base layer" has always been "men with guns". If you fail to cooperate, an armed security guard will take your badge and escort you to the build exit. If that security guard does not cooperate, another man with a gun can always be found.
  - phantompeace 2y ago
    I’d argue the base layer is money. The men with guns need to be paid so they can feed their families.
    - disqard 2y ago
      Fair point. "How to control the men with guns" occupies the minds of billionaires. A lot. > Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system, and asked: “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the event?” The event. That was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, solar storm, unstoppable virus, or malicious computer hack that takes everything down. source: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prepper-bunkers-apocalypse-survival-richest-rushkoff https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prep...
      - soco 2y ago
        "The billionaires considered using special combination locks on the food supply that only they knew. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers – if that technology could be developed “in time”"
    - bb88 2y ago
      It's not really money though right? It's the power that money gives. Food, shelter, health care. The CIA might add sex into that list. Without a US government the US greenback is worthless, and so is any power.
dzhiurgis 2y ago
> auditing/compliance framework Do people believe in these? I've had tons of access over the years to all sort of projects right to my laptop, despite compliance and audits.

ActionHank 2y ago

Because they are being guided by the rigor of trust me bro.

RGamma 2y ago
"I know how to code, therefore I know everything."
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 2y ago
  More like, "Therefore, I know nothing because instead of learning about life through experience I have wasted years playing with a computer instead."

dragonwriter 2y ago

> How is this possible with any auditing/compliance framework in place? It is not, what happened is someone said “I have authority from the President which trumps your ‘frameworks’ and ‘processes’, and if you fight me on this you will be fired and then we’ll bring in your replacement with the same deal and repeat as necessary until there is compliance with our demands”.

disqard 2y ago
Yes, it is not "turtles all the way down" (or code/processes/law). The "base layer" has always been "men with guns". If you fail to cooperate, an armed security guard will take your badge and escort you to the build exit. If that security guard does not cooperate, another man with a gun can always be found.
- phantompeace 2y ago
  I’d argue the base layer is money. The men with guns need to be paid so they can feed their families.
  - disqard 2y ago
    Fair point. "How to control the men with guns" occupies the minds of billionaires. A lot. > Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system, and asked: “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the event?” The event. That was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, solar storm, unstoppable virus, or malicious computer hack that takes everything down. source: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prepper-bunkers-apocalypse-survival-richest-rushkoff https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prep...
    - soco 2y ago
      "The billionaires considered using special combination locks on the food supply that only they knew. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers – if that technology could be developed “in time”"
  - bb88 2y ago
    It's not really money though right? It's the power that money gives. Food, shelter, health care. The CIA might add sex into that list. Without a US government the US greenback is worthless, and so is any power.

dzhiurgis 2y ago

> auditing/compliance framework Do people believe in these? I've had tons of access over the years to all sort of projects right to my laptop, despite compliance and audits.