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Nontraditional Red Teams
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago> So someone on your team should use a password manager. I mean, you all should, of course Yeah, everyone who has any kind of online account should! It's number one on Ollam's preparedness checklist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ihrGNGesfI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ihrGNGesfI
- gessha 2y agoEvergreen talk.
- lmm 2y agoAnother good one is someone using your website through chrome translation. Similar to adblock in that it messes with random bits of your HTML. There's a particular problem it can cause with react, where if a text node that's rendered conditionally gets changed then it breaks your site - easy to work around once you know what it is (just wrap it in a span with an id) but took a bit of time to catch.
- Animats 2y agoThis is called "quality control". A lost concept in the era of continuous integration and "move fast and break things".
- roughly 2y agoTech has a long history of declaring things useless and then gradually bootstrapping them back up as we learn all the lessons that led to those things existing.
- malfist 2y agoTo be fair, QA is seen by a lot of folks as license to not fully test their code themselves. So it's not necessarily that QA was useless, but that it was actively harmful
- apercu 2y agoWe don't need testing. We're "agile". Or something like that.
- routerl 2y ago'"Tradition" is a set of solutions for which we have forgotten the problems. Throw away the solution and you get the problem back.' This is, by far, my most conservative opinion. Credit to Donald Kingsbury for the quote. Honorable mention re: the same problem, "dogfooding"[0] is gone from the software industry, which is why users often feel like they're getting suckered by the companies they patronize; the decision makers, who don't themselves use the product, absolutely see the users as suckers. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_your_own_dog_food https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_your_own_dog_food
- BarryMilo 2y agoReminds me of that AI company that didn't want it's applicants too use AI in the process. Like... you made this monster.
- userbinator 2y agoDogfooding is still alive in companies like Microsoft; they just ignore all the feedback. There have been numerous comments about that by its employees in HN threads here. I propose that process be called "dogshitting" instead.
- ahartmetz 2y agoDogbarfing? They rejected the dogfood for poor quality, but they had to eat it again.
- kybernetikos 2y agoI found this on scurvy and forgotten traditions to be fascinating https://idlewords.com/2010/03/scott_and_scurvy.htm https://idlewords.com/2010/03/scott_and_scurvy.htm
- boxed 2y agoImo: get the problem back is a small price to pay to learn the lesson again. If you didn't write it down the first time, remove the tradition and next time write it down. Now you do the right thing AND for the right reason.
- ClumsyPilot 2y agoDon’t forget to declare it an innovation, we have re-invented the way everyone was doing thing anyway!
- mhh__ 2y agoBetter that than doing the right thing at the wrong time IMO
- boxed 2y agoHonestly I prefer this. The alternative is what we see in politics and big corps: 1. tragedy happens 2. "leader" adds some checks to avoid the problem 3. the check literally will not stop the problem 4. everything sucks And it's always a ratchet that goes in the same direction: More rules, more laws, more checks, more crap. Example: Sweden had it's first mass school shooting and politicians suggest stuff like locking doors for unauthorized (the shooter was a student!). A few years before that Sweden had a terrorist act where a dude jumped into a truck and drove into a crowd. What did the politicians do? Blame car companies for "not having a way to limit access to who can drive a car". Yes. They reinvented car keys. They also made everyone walk home instead of taking the subway. Did anyone die on the subway? No. Were the roads now CRAMMED with THOUSANDS of people in the middle of the road, making an extremely juicy terrorist target for someone with a truck? Yes, so much so that I was a bit scared walking home in a way I wouldn't have been if I wasn't now a part of a crowd for no damn reason.
- htrp 2y agochesterton's fence would like a word
- gessha 2y agoThis is the weapon of a good programmer. Not as clumsy or random as continuous integration or “move fast and break things”; an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.
- robertlagrant 2y agoRemember when Facebook Chat launched to a billion users and it worked perfectly with the load? They did a lot of quality control.
- 101008 2y agoWhat's wrong with Season 2 of The Newsroom?
- holman 2y agoI'm a huge Newsroom sucker, but that one just felt weird. The whole "we used [clip] sarin" felt really drawn-out and kind of weird. On the other hand, my partner and I constantly say "we used sarin" to each other so maybe it has a way of sticking in your brain regardless. (And it might mean our relationship is... odd.)
- danielodievich 2y agoMany moons ago as a young developer at Microsoft I was asked what I thought of a nice big poster advertising our team's offering, to be displayed around campus. The picture had a large background circle that was made out of various small words and symbols, looking really neat if you were up close to it, very stylish. From the distance and to me with my poor eyesight and my prescription that wasn't up to date, it looked like a gray ring left on the paper with a giant leaking coffee mug. I wasn't as polite as I'd be today and so I pretty much said "hey this looks like a coffee spill". The designer was a bit upset but they did fix it...
- canucker2016 2y agoDiversity has its benefits because no where in my public/high school/university education did I learn what "goatse" is. :)
- Izkata 2y ago> Someone to look for dicks Speaking of, that "Use your eyes" image this ends with also could be boobs instead of eyes.
- pxx 2y agothat's... that's the joke.