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A bad comparison. Fentanyl deaths are fully avoidable, heart diseases have existed forever.
by sashank_1509 2y ago
A bad comparison. Fentanyl deaths are fully avoidable, heart diseases have existed forever.
- BudaDude 2y agoThey are also for the most part avoidable
- lnxg33k1 2y agoIf you start to ban cigarettes, mcdonalds and similar, also many heart diseases can be avoided
- dboreham 2y ago[flagged]
- slothtrop 2y agoTobacco consumption has plummeted in the West and continues to. If anything it shows that sin taxes and messaging work. A ban leads to a black market and would be a gross overstep. Alcohol consumption has also fallen. For one we could stop subsidizing suspect products (e.g. HFCS) and create other incentives.
- bluGill 2y agoThere are things we can do that people are not doing. However plenty of people who do eat well and exercise die of heart diseases and we don't know how to stop that.
- culi 2y agoPoint taken, but archeologists and anthropologists have known for a while now that cardiovascular disease is virtually absent in non-industrial societies. And we also know there's a ton more that could be done to lessen how common heart disease is
- slothtrop 2y agoWhat's the life expectancy again in non-industrial societies?
- culi 2y agoI don't know why that's relevant but I'm willing to bet you're referring to a popular science myth about short lifespans Yes lifespans were extremely short on average in Medieval Europe which faced constant famine and disease from peasants living in such close conditions with animals. But medieval europe isn't the whole world. Hunter-gather lifespans varied greatly depending on environment but the modal lifespan is usually around 70 years old. Modern archeological evidence shows us that people living past 100 was far from uncommon even 1,000 years ago: https://sci-hub.ru/https://doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.22329 https://sci-hub.ru/https://doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.22329
- slothtrop 2y ago> I don't know why that's relevant We care about CVD because of mortality, and if mortality rate is terrible then it's a moot point. > people living past 100 was far from uncommon "uncommon" is not a number. The most we can infer from the data is that life was exceedingly harsh and short on average. Even if we believe it was 70 years old, that's still worse.
- culi 2y agoWe absolutely do not have data that confirms life was exceedingly harsh or shorter. In fact, this is an age old debate in anthropology. A major discussion was sparked by a talk called "The Original Affluent Society" during a now-famous symposium which highlighted then-recent evidence that non-industrial societies generally had much more leisure time and less stress. We also know that they had much more stable food sources than agricultural counterparts and much less diseases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_the_Hunter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_the_Hunter The debate has of course evolved since then and I won't recount the 50 years of research and debate that's happened but modern anthropologists are pretty much in agreement that the "nasty, brutish, and short" narrative is completely baseless.
- aylmao 2y agoWorking on US healthcare affordability would avoid plenty of these (and many other) deaths.
- tayo42 2y agoget rid of fentanyl and how many go back to overdosing on heroine and oxycodone etc...
- slothtrop 2y agoHeart disease is more preventable than given credence. Prevention is the best medicine. Vehicle deaths are also avoidable.