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Do you know how much the FAA spent renaming “cockpit” and changing Notice to Airmen to Notice to Air Missions in all FAA publications? In the midst of a profoun

Do you know how much the FAA spent renaming “cockpit” and changing Notice to Airmen to Notice to Air Missions in all FAA publications? In the midst of a profound controller shortage, the FAA spent millions on changing words. If people want to criticize the current changes as wasting money, then it’s intellectually dishonest not to call out other agencies such as the FAA for their nonsense.

rich_sasha 2y ago
What was "cockpit" renamed to?
- sjsdaiuasgdia 2y ago
  Flight deck. Also it was just a recommendation as far as my searching can find, for example https://www.nationalreview.com/news/faa-panel-recommends-changing-terms-cockpit-and-manmade-to-gender-neutral-equivalents/ https://www.nationalreview.com/news/faa-panel-recommends-cha... This summary of a 2024 FAA re-authorization has the word 'cockpit' 6 times, so I'm dubious that much was done with that recommendation.
  - TehCorwiz 2y ago
    That's a highly biased source. I recommend the WaPo article it links to or even the report itself I've linked below. The relevant part is on pages 108 through 135, so ~27 pages out of 217, most of which is title cards, references, and graphs. The document itself uses "cockpit" repeatedly throughout, so these suggestions weren't proactively adopted. EDIT: Fixed link, https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/faa-s-drone-advisory-commitee-report-on-gender-neutral-language/453134fc-1e0f-4209-947b-ec84f019e086/?itid=lk_inline_manual_4 https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/faa-s-drone-advisory-...
    - verdverm 2y ago
      WaPo lost my trust when Bezos stepped in and over the editorial process. It is just another billionaire owned bully pulpit now
- ASalazarMX 2y ago
  Since asexual terms are preferred, it was renamed to chickenpit. Joke aside, the term comes from the navy, the place where the cockswain/coxswain, the person in charge of a boat, is. Should that post be renamed to flight swain? If we're going to make such efforts to change words, I think it's time for a new artificial non-ambiguous language as the international standard. That way, we could learn our local dialects, and the common tongue where all the historical warts are corrected. As a bonus, computers would be more efficient with a non-ambiguous natural language.
feoren 2y ago
> Do you know how much the FAA spent renaming “cockpit” and changing Notice to Airmen to Notice to Air Missions in all FAA publications? Do you? Because I'm guessing it was virtually nothing. That does not sound like a particularly costly activity. > If people want to criticize the current changes as wasting money, then it’s intellectually dishonest not to call out other agencies This is the definition of whataboutism. Also, "wasting money" is not near the top of my list of the problems with government agencies being told they're not allowed to mention women.
jmye 2y ago
If I spend a lot of campaign time suggesting I’m the fiscally responsible one and you’re not, I don’t think “neither were you!” Is a meaningful response when you note my irresponsibility. At some point I should be answerable for not representing myself properly without just playing little kid “I’m rubber and you’re glue” games, right?
satisfice 2y ago
News flash: pilots still call it the cockpit.
dgeiser13 2y ago
They spent None dollars.

rich_sasha 2y ago

What was "cockpit" renamed to?

sjsdaiuasgdia 2y ago
Flight deck. Also it was just a recommendation as far as my searching can find, for example https://www.nationalreview.com/news/faa-panel-recommends-changing-terms-cockpit-and-manmade-to-gender-neutral-equivalents/ https://www.nationalreview.com/news/faa-panel-recommends-cha... This summary of a 2024 FAA re-authorization has the word 'cockpit' 6 times, so I'm dubious that much was done with that recommendation.
- TehCorwiz 2y ago
  That's a highly biased source. I recommend the WaPo article it links to or even the report itself I've linked below. The relevant part is on pages 108 through 135, so ~27 pages out of 217, most of which is title cards, references, and graphs. The document itself uses "cockpit" repeatedly throughout, so these suggestions weren't proactively adopted. EDIT: Fixed link, https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/faa-s-drone-advisory-commitee-report-on-gender-neutral-language/453134fc-1e0f-4209-947b-ec84f019e086/?itid=lk_inline_manual_4 https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/faa-s-drone-advisory-...
  - verdverm 2y ago
    WaPo lost my trust when Bezos stepped in and over the editorial process. It is just another billionaire owned bully pulpit now
ASalazarMX 2y ago
Since asexual terms are preferred, it was renamed to chickenpit. Joke aside, the term comes from the navy, the place where the cockswain/coxswain, the person in charge of a boat, is. Should that post be renamed to flight swain? If we're going to make such efforts to change words, I think it's time for a new artificial non-ambiguous language as the international standard. That way, we could learn our local dialects, and the common tongue where all the historical warts are corrected. As a bonus, computers would be more efficient with a non-ambiguous natural language.

feoren 2y ago

> Do you know how much the FAA spent renaming “cockpit” and changing Notice to Airmen to Notice to Air Missions in all FAA publications? Do you? Because I'm guessing it was virtually nothing. That does not sound like a particularly costly activity. > If people want to criticize the current changes as wasting money, then it’s intellectually dishonest not to call out other agencies This is the definition of whataboutism. Also, "wasting money" is not near the top of my list of the problems with government agencies being told they're not allowed to mention women.

jmye 2y ago

If I spend a lot of campaign time suggesting I’m the fiscally responsible one and you’re not, I don’t think “neither were you!” Is a meaningful response when you note my irresponsibility. At some point I should be answerable for not representing myself properly without just playing little kid “I’m rubber and you’re glue” games, right?

satisfice 2y ago

News flash: pilots still call it the cockpit.

dgeiser13 2y ago

They spent None dollars.