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Elon and his inexperienced cronies are the last people who should be trusted with any government access. They don’t even have clearance.
by cdme 2y ago
Elon and his inexperienced cronies are the last people who should be trusted with any government access. They don’t even have clearance.
- fastball 2y agoI don't think you need clearance for this, so not sure how that is relevant.
- Glyptodon 2y agoI've read in multiple articles that people were placed on leave for trying to require proper clearances from him and his team as obligated to by law, and this article also references how clearances impact the fact that nobody knows what they're actually doing.
- toomuchtodo 2y agoAs someone who has had to clear an SF86 for a USDS hiring cycle (IRS and DHS systems), I would be shocked if you can get this access without a clearance.
- mathw 2y agoIf they don't have clearance aren't they committing a number of offences under various acts of national security and computer misuse and thus liable for arrest?
- cdme 2y agoYes, but the GOP senate and house members are unwavering sycophants. The Supreme Court has also been stacked.
- gigatexal 2y agoIt’s a coup many years in the making and we all watched as it happened. The folks behind project 2025 have been plotting this for years and years.
- malfist 2y agoYes. But who is going to arrest them and charge them?
- ramesh31 2y ago>If they don't have clearance aren't they committing a number of offences under various acts of national security and computer misuse and thus liable for arrest? Arrested by who? The executive branch who ordered his actions? Americans voted for this, and now we have to live with it.
- dartos 2y agoNo, the judicial branch which is supposed to enforce the law regardless of who was voted for… Yknow… the branch that’s supposed to check the power of the executive branch…
- tyre 2y agoThe Justice Department, including the FBI and federal prosecutors, are run by appointees of the president. The president can replace them.
- ramesh31 2y ago>No, the judicial branch which is supposed to enforce the law regardless of who was voted for… The judiciary has zero enforcement power. They make the laws which the executive is meant to enforce. If the executive fails to enforce a law, congress can impeach. That's not happening.
- dartos 2y agoThat’s not how it works. The executive branch runs the country. The legislative branch makes the laws. The judicial branch enforces them…
- SAI_Peregrinus 2y agoThe legislative branch makes the laws. The Judicial branch judges whether laws were broken. The executive branch has the power to enforce laws (or to not enforce them, as they see fit). The current executive branch will not enforce laws against itself, and nobody else is legally allowed to enforce the laws, so all the courts & congress can do is write strongly worded letters.
- throw0101c 2y ago> […] and thus liable for arrest? If these are federal statues they can be pardoned by the President (like the January 6 folks were).
- voisin 2y agoTrump would just pardon them.
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- Glyptodon 2y agoWhile they are absolutely committing crimes, the complicit Trump administration justice department and Republican congress are happy to let it go, at least thus far.
- bradarner 2y agoYou misunderstand how clearance works. Any one can get "read-on" to anything with the proper authorities giving them access. It is an administrative step. It might undergo review but access does not need to be prevent until the review happens. It is all about who is granting the access. The commander in chief has considerable authority to provide access.
- queuebert 2y agoClearance could be granted on a whim by POTUS, as far as I can tell, so that has no leg to stand on. The biggest threat would be that one of the DOGE employees is a foreign actor. Hope they did some vetting...
- cdme 2y agoDoes Elon qualify as a foreign actor? He’s certainly malign.
- immibis 2y agoHe's an illegal immigrant from South Africa. I don't know the diplomatic status of the USA with South Africa, but the current party in power would certainly not agree to the idea that illegal immigrants should be given total control of the Treasury.
- michaelmrose 2y agoIt remains a matter of import. It is both true that they don't have clearance and true that in a more functional environment that they would not have earned it.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago>Clearance could be granted on a whim by POTUS He can' (but shouldn't). But there's no word that was granted to Musk. Since, he didn't name them. He probably doesn't though, because he should not have been stopped at USAID with the right credentials. Unless... >Hope they did some vetting... we both know he didn't. If he does have clearance, his interns definitely don't. Hence the kerfluffle at USAID.
- TrapLord_Rhodo 2y agoElon has produces technology that can be used for weapons of war. He and space x employees often have TS clearance.
- keepamovin 2y ago[flagged]
- mandeepj 2y agoAngry? Why are you coming off so strongly? There's nothing wrong in questioning an unethical approach. If a kid is good in AI/ML to spot a pattern in an image, maybe they should work in healthcare and, not forcefully and illegally poke into someone's financial records. You are the one who needs some serious soul searching.
- keepamovin 2y agoOkay
- amluto 2y agoIf there is some credible reason to believe this might be the case, then an audit should be done. Carefully, not recklessly. With oversight, especially if the auditor gets write access to anything. That oversight should include, at an absolute minimum, a system, not controlled by the auditor, that logs every interaction with the system being audited.
- keepamovin 2y agoThere should be transparency. Maybe they do that
- RGamma 2y agoThe nebulous use of fraudulent is doing some rather heavy lifting here.
- keepamovin 2y agoCould be but seems there’s fraud when so much missing and uselessly spent. Classic fraud
- inverted_flag 2y ago
- belter 2y agoAnd...it's flagged :-))
- dredmorbius 2y ago<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9562917 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9562917>
- jandrewrogers 2y agoNo one needs a standing clearance. Anyone can be read into any program by someone of sufficient authority on an ad hoc basis. There seem to be a lot of misconceptions flying around about what "government access" entails.
- Glyptodon 2y agoThis was not the case when I worked in the Federal government. There were different levels and kinds of clearances and while it was true that you could work with less sensitive stuff while the background check process worked its way through, you couldn't go into and view anything elevated w/o the right clearance, or even be in the room pretty much.
- kdmtctl 2y agoDid you often encountered anyone on a POTUS ad hoc mission while being there? There will be background checks maybe, but the winner takes it all.
- jandrewrogers 2y agoThis has always been the case, though you generally need to be a US citizen as a practical matter. Whether or not you are exposed to it likely depends on which part of the government and who you are. The common case is when they need the help of outside subject matter experts. For the sake of timeliness and being able to move quickly, some people in government are authorized to make a judgment about the risk/benefit tradeoff when someone doesn't have an active clearance. It isn't a case of waiting for a background check process, you don't even need to apply. Some organizations will do an informal check of their own in the background if they don't already know who you are. Sure, they would prefer if you already had formal clearance, but it isn't strictly necessary.
- paleotrope 2y agoI could see many people with this abstract concept of a system that governs itself with it's own rules and policies, not quite understanding that it's all customary. It's like people thinking that the President can't declassify a document or make foreign policy decisions without the NSC's advice or consent.