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Hundreds of thousands of people did not starve to death because of one man. The Nazis wanted to starve millions of Russians to death. They even had a plan to d

Hundreds of thousands of people did not starve to death because of one man. The Nazis wanted to starve millions of Russians to death. They even had a plan to do it and talked about it publicly.

rdtsc 2y ago
A decision like supplying or not supplying, defending or not defending a city like Leningrad is not something that was done without approval or disapproval of Stalin. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_of_Life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_of_Life > Joseph Stalin tentatively approved, but he failed to appreciate the importance and only limited resources were committed.[19][20] The Leningrad Front planned the ice roads to bring 1965 tonnes of supplies to the city per day, but this was not initially met.[21] Little was achieved in the first weeks of operation. That's putting it mildly. When Stalin "tentatively approved" but wasn't "enthused about it", so to speak, that meant to his minions that it should not be tried very hard and if they fail, their head is on the line. "Stalin's warning served as a thinly veiled threat to the Leningrad leader > The Nazis wanted to starve millions of Russians to death. They even had a plan to do it and talked about it publicly. Just because Nazis had plans, that didn't stop Stalin from out-competing them. He started early even in the 30s. In fact it was the Soviet Union's government that killed millions of its own people in the end. It happened before, during and after the war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1946%E2%80%931947 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1946%E2%80%93..., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%931933 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%93...
- Synaesthesia 2y ago
  The Soviet Union was under the greatest, most genocidal assault in human history. The Soviets launched multiple assaults on Leningrad from 1941 until they finally relieved it in 1944. It was at huge human cost that they did so. But yes Stalin was a brutal dictator.
aredox 2y ago
Stalin starved millions of Russians to death on his own before any hostilities occured. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%931933 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%93...
- Synaesthesia 2y ago
  There was a famine, I don't think he deliberately did that. Yes it was his stupid policies that led to it, and he certainly didn't seem to care much, but it's different to an outright plan to starve 20-30 million slavs
  - aredox 2y ago
    Oh, I guess that makes it wholly different to the people who died, then

Hundreds of thousands of people did not starve to death because of one man. The Nazis wanted to starve millions of Russians to death. They even had a plan to do it and talked about it publicly.

rdtsc 2y ago

A decision like supplying or not supplying, defending or not defending a city like Leningrad is not something that was done without approval or disapproval of Stalin. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_of_Life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_of_Life > Joseph Stalin tentatively approved, but he failed to appreciate the importance and only limited resources were committed.[19][20] The Leningrad Front planned the ice roads to bring 1965 tonnes of supplies to the city per day, but this was not initially met.[21] Little was achieved in the first weeks of operation. That's putting it mildly. When Stalin "tentatively approved" but wasn't "enthused about it", so to speak, that meant to his minions that it should not be tried very hard and if they fail, their head is on the line. "Stalin's warning served as a thinly veiled threat to the Leningrad leader > The Nazis wanted to starve millions of Russians to death. They even had a plan to do it and talked about it publicly. Just because Nazis had plans, that didn't stop Stalin from out-competing them. He started early even in the 30s. In fact it was the Soviet Union's government that killed millions of its own people in the end. It happened before, during and after the war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1946%E2%80%931947 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1946%E2%80%93..., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%931933 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%93...

Synaesthesia 2y ago
The Soviet Union was under the greatest, most genocidal assault in human history. The Soviets launched multiple assaults on Leningrad from 1941 until they finally relieved it in 1944. It was at huge human cost that they did so. But yes Stalin was a brutal dictator.

aredox 2y ago

Stalin starved millions of Russians to death on his own before any hostilities occured. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%931933 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%93...

Synaesthesia 2y ago
There was a famine, I don't think he deliberately did that. Yes it was his stupid policies that led to it, and he certainly didn't seem to care much, but it's different to an outright plan to starve 20-30 million slavs
- aredox 2y ago
  Oh, I guess that makes it wholly different to the people who died, then