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Hetzner Cloud is definitely professional enough to place most production systems on it. Sure, servers might die at times, but this also happens at AWS and can

Hetzner Cloud is definitely professional enough to place most production systems on it. Sure, servers might die at times, but this also happens at AWS and can be avoided by using multiple servers in a HA configuration.

weinzierl 2y ago
Are you running a production system on it? One that makes money and loses money when down?
- bayindirh 2y ago
  Do you? Everybody I know is happy with what Hetzner provides, even at production level. OTOH, "arguably better" DigitalOcean sent me a "Your physical host died, so we restarted it. If it persists, we'll migrate" e-mail, which just shows the reality of the hardware. On your question, while I do not have services on Hetzner yet, I manage a lot of servers, so I know dynamics of a datacenter and what it entails to keep one up.
  - weinzierl 2y ago
    I had enough trouble with them that I don't even consider.
    - bayindirh 2y ago
      Such as? If you prefer, of course.
      - weinzierl 2y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41360708 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41360708
        arghwhat 2y ago
        You're linking this everywhere, but it has absolutely zero relevance. Your beef is not with Hetzner, but whoever decided to run the service. Unless the customer violates local legislation or the hosting providers ToS, the appropriate action is to leave the service running, be it AWS, GCP or Hetzner. I would quite frankly have been very disappointed with them if they had done anything in response to you request.
        weinzierl 2y ago
        There is no beef, just evidence that they do to run their service as professionally as other more established providers, which was the original argument and premise of the discussion. Hetzner is German company and subject to German law. The website they were hosting did not have the (in Germany) mandatory legal notice (Impressum) or any contact details. This shifts the responsibility to the provider (Providerhaftung). Ignoring legal requirements is hardly professional. Also I would like to note that I did neither request them to give me their customer's details nor to shut down the site. All I wanted was them to work with their customer to have the offending image removed. Also I am convinced the porn image was not malice but an accident. The scraper replaced all profile images with ones they probably scraped from a forum. I was just unlucky to get a very indecent one. Had Hetzner collaborated I'm pretty sure this could have been resolved in no time.
        echoangle 2y ago
        I think leaving disputes to the customer and only acting on legal orders is actually the most professional thing a provider can do.
        arghwhat 2y ago
        Your expectations of what you wanted from Hetzner has nothing to do with their professionalism. They most certainly acted with outmost professionalism given the situation you describe, and the behavior to be expected from any hosting provider. I get your frustration in the situation, but even if it would have been helpful to you, it would be extremely unprofessional for a hosting provider to invervene in the operations of its customers unless the customer violates the Terms of Service (an agreement you have no part in), a court order is made, or law enforcement makes a legally supported demand. Random legal notices sent by mail from strangers are not on this list, but could lead to Hetzner evaluating if a ToS violation is in effect that must be resolved. If the customer is a business, it could be that they have breached the Impressum laws. It would have helped you if they had the impressum, but until legal action is taken it remains undecided if there is a violation, and if there was the consequence would be that the customer is liable for a written warning and in some cases a fine, as decided by the relevant authorities or a court of law.
- FpUser 2y ago
  I do. I just rent 2 computers from Hetzner. One is main another is failover. If main dies failover kicks in while main is restored on another computer. Still way way cheaper than AWS which I would not touch with wooden pole unless required by client.
- jonathantf2 2y ago
  Yes. Haven't had an outage in near 2 years according to our monitoring.
- preisschild 2y ago
  Yes, with more than 100 VMs on Hetzner Cloud. It's highly available though and the redundant replicas run on their separated physical machines https://docs.hetzner.com/cloud/placement-groups/overview/ https://docs.hetzner.com/cloud/placement-groups/overview/ Single machines die (and can't be started again for a few minutes to hours) every few months, but that's acceptable for me, and we also similar things happen at AWS.

weinzierl 2y ago

Are you running a production system on it? One that makes money and loses money when down?

bayindirh 2y ago
Do you? Everybody I know is happy with what Hetzner provides, even at production level. OTOH, "arguably better" DigitalOcean sent me a "Your physical host died, so we restarted it. If it persists, we'll migrate" e-mail, which just shows the reality of the hardware. On your question, while I do not have services on Hetzner yet, I manage a lot of servers, so I know dynamics of a datacenter and what it entails to keep one up.
- weinzierl 2y ago
  I had enough trouble with them that I don't even consider.
  - bayindirh 2y ago
    Such as? If you prefer, of course.
    - weinzierl 2y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41360708 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41360708
      - arghwhat 2y ago
        You're linking this everywhere, but it has absolutely zero relevance. Your beef is not with Hetzner, but whoever decided to run the service. Unless the customer violates local legislation or the hosting providers ToS, the appropriate action is to leave the service running, be it AWS, GCP or Hetzner. I would quite frankly have been very disappointed with them if they had done anything in response to you request.
        weinzierl 2y ago
        There is no beef, just evidence that they do to run their service as professionally as other more established providers, which was the original argument and premise of the discussion. Hetzner is German company and subject to German law. The website they were hosting did not have the (in Germany) mandatory legal notice (Impressum) or any contact details. This shifts the responsibility to the provider (Providerhaftung). Ignoring legal requirements is hardly professional. Also I would like to note that I did neither request them to give me their customer's details nor to shut down the site. All I wanted was them to work with their customer to have the offending image removed. Also I am convinced the porn image was not malice but an accident. The scraper replaced all profile images with ones they probably scraped from a forum. I was just unlucky to get a very indecent one. Had Hetzner collaborated I'm pretty sure this could have been resolved in no time.
        echoangle 2y ago
        I think leaving disputes to the customer and only acting on legal orders is actually the most professional thing a provider can do.
        arghwhat 2y ago
        Your expectations of what you wanted from Hetzner has nothing to do with their professionalism. They most certainly acted with outmost professionalism given the situation you describe, and the behavior to be expected from any hosting provider. I get your frustration in the situation, but even if it would have been helpful to you, it would be extremely unprofessional for a hosting provider to invervene in the operations of its customers unless the customer violates the Terms of Service (an agreement you have no part in), a court order is made, or law enforcement makes a legally supported demand. Random legal notices sent by mail from strangers are not on this list, but could lead to Hetzner evaluating if a ToS violation is in effect that must be resolved. If the customer is a business, it could be that they have breached the Impressum laws. It would have helped you if they had the impressum, but until legal action is taken it remains undecided if there is a violation, and if there was the consequence would be that the customer is liable for a written warning and in some cases a fine, as decided by the relevant authorities or a court of law.
FpUser 2y ago
I do. I just rent 2 computers from Hetzner. One is main another is failover. If main dies failover kicks in while main is restored on another computer. Still way way cheaper than AWS which I would not touch with wooden pole unless required by client.
jonathantf2 2y ago
Yes. Haven't had an outage in near 2 years according to our monitoring.
preisschild 2y ago
Yes, with more than 100 VMs on Hetzner Cloud. It's highly available though and the redundant replicas run on their separated physical machines https://docs.hetzner.com/cloud/placement-groups/overview/ https://docs.hetzner.com/cloud/placement-groups/overview/ Single machines die (and can't be started again for a few minutes to hours) every few months, but that's acceptable for me, and we also similar things happen at AWS.