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What is a lot? Before integration, it had ~490 users as an extension, vs ~800,000 for To Google Translate, the number one option. Offline translation has to b

What is a lot? Before integration, it had ~490 users as an extension, vs ~800,000 for To Google Translate, the number one option. Offline translation has to be manually enabled per language in Settings. Frankly I don't believe there's any meaningful usage until I see the numbers.

e2le 2y ago
>enabled per language in Settings. Do they? I tried opening a French government site[1] and received the Firefox pop-up offering to translate the page. I did not have to enable anything in settings neither is the French language model downloaded. It seems translations are enabled by default. [1]: https://www.elysee.fr/ https://www.elysee.fr/
- closewith 2y ago
  I stand corrected on this point, the language packs now auto-download. It's still a niche feature only partially built by a Horizon project (it was almost entirely built by commercial entities - MS and Mozilla) in a niche browser. It's an indictment of the Horizon programme that this is considered the pre-eminent success story.
  - VagabundoP 2y ago
    Its actually helped me a twice the last two weeks and I would browse mostly English language sites and I imagine it would be great if English wasn't your first language. I didn't even know it was a new Firefox feature but I thought it was cool. Well done EU.
  - lxgr 2y ago
    You really can't win with some people. If the EU invests into research and development of a feature that a US tech company already offers (as a proprietary, closed-source service), it's needless duplication and a futile effort in catching up. Yet if it doesn't, that's admitting defeat in the face of competitors and the wrong move as well.
    - closewith 2y ago
      > If the EU invests into research and development of a feature that a US tech company already offers (as a proprietary, closed-source service), it's needless duplication and a futile effort in catching up. The example we're talking about is powered by a Marian, developed and open-sourced by a US multinational, Microsoft. The Horizon project was to use that to create a Firefox plugin, which they did. Another US multinational, Mozilla, later integrated into Firefox. Firefox has 4.55% market share in Europe. > Yet if it doesn't, that's admitting defeat in the face of competitors and the wrong move as well. You are presenting a false and frankly bad faith dichotomy.
Vinnl 2y ago
I believe to the order of millions of translations per day, but again, I don't remember where to view this, so might not be correct. But it's definitely orders of magnitude larger than 100s of users. (And indeed, as a sibling comment points out, the feature is suggested to users in context, which of course massively helps with discoverability, so it's no surprise to me that it's used way more often than the extension.)

e2le 2y ago

>enabled per language in Settings. Do they? I tried opening a French government site[1] and received the Firefox pop-up offering to translate the page. I did not have to enable anything in settings neither is the French language model downloaded. It seems translations are enabled by default. [1]: https://www.elysee.fr/ https://www.elysee.fr/

closewith 2y ago
I stand corrected on this point, the language packs now auto-download. It's still a niche feature only partially built by a Horizon project (it was almost entirely built by commercial entities - MS and Mozilla) in a niche browser. It's an indictment of the Horizon programme that this is considered the pre-eminent success story.
- VagabundoP 2y ago
  Its actually helped me a twice the last two weeks and I would browse mostly English language sites and I imagine it would be great if English wasn't your first language. I didn't even know it was a new Firefox feature but I thought it was cool. Well done EU.
- lxgr 2y ago
  You really can't win with some people. If the EU invests into research and development of a feature that a US tech company already offers (as a proprietary, closed-source service), it's needless duplication and a futile effort in catching up. Yet if it doesn't, that's admitting defeat in the face of competitors and the wrong move as well.
  - closewith 2y ago
    > If the EU invests into research and development of a feature that a US tech company already offers (as a proprietary, closed-source service), it's needless duplication and a futile effort in catching up. The example we're talking about is powered by a Marian, developed and open-sourced by a US multinational, Microsoft. The Horizon project was to use that to create a Firefox plugin, which they did. Another US multinational, Mozilla, later integrated into Firefox. Firefox has 4.55% market share in Europe. > Yet if it doesn't, that's admitting defeat in the face of competitors and the wrong move as well. You are presenting a false and frankly bad faith dichotomy.

Vinnl 2y ago

I believe to the order of millions of translations per day, but again, I don't remember where to view this, so might not be correct. But it's definitely orders of magnitude larger than 100s of users. (And indeed, as a sibling comment points out, the feature is suggested to users in context, which of course massively helps with discoverability, so it's no surprise to me that it's used way more often than the extension.)