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There does not exist a proper argument for the existence of God that does not require use of "God is above logic". I'll believe that many Christians do not see

by mafuy 2y ago

There does not exist a proper argument for the existence of God that does not require use of "God is above logic". I'll believe that many Christians do not see Trump as savior, though. Following true Christian values in these times is a great idea.

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scarface_74 2y ago
“True Christian values” don’t jibe with voting for the modern national Republican Party. Pence was probably the most “Christian” of the Republican candidates last year and he had the fewest votes. None of the prior Republican candidates for President would have stood a chance in todays environment.
- jrs235 2y ago
  As a proclaimed Christian, I agree. Never have I ever voted for fewer Republicans than in the last election.
- normalaccess 2y ago
  Pence is a "Dominionist" and wants to reinstate a theocracy. Last time we tried that was called the Dark Ages and we tortured people and burned them at the stake. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_theology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_theology https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/01/30/a-theology-of-power-mike-pence-and-the-dominionists/ https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/01/30/a-theology-of-power-...
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    And at least that jibes with Christianity. I’m not saying I agree with it.
jrs235 2y ago
>I'll believe that many Christians do not see Trump as savior, though. As a Christian that is certainly concerned about Christians supporting and voting for Trump, sadly I think many do (see him as a Savior and one who can do no wrong) but don't realize it. They excuse excuse excuse. What I see happening is history repeating itself. The Isrealites pleaded for a strong man king like the other countries even though God said they didn't need one as long as they lived by "following true Christian values". They still wanted one so God let them have one. Saul, being an insecure man, began oppressing them shortly after getting the throne.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  You really don’t think they realize it? These are the same “Christians” in the 60s who supported Jim Crow. Bob Jones University didn’t end the interracial dating ban until 2000. https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/national/030400bobjones-edu.html?Partner=iVillage&RefId=LmyyW=jEFnnnnNnwm https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/national... The entire Christian Organization is corrupt. From the wide support of Trump by its leaders from the national and local level to systematic covering of child abuse in the Catholic Church. If the abuses in the Catholic Church had happened anywhere else it would have come under RICO charges
  - jrs235 2y ago
    I suppose many of them think God needs them to speed things up and usher in the antichrist. They certainly are letting their hearts turn cold. I wonder if they realize that they are the ones disobeying Jesus' commands to love others, our neighbors and our enemenies. To take care of the poor and those in need. To give the coat off our backs if asked. To offer the other cheek if struck. "Depart from me, I never knew you."...

by mafuy 2y ago

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scarface_74 2y ago

“True Christian values” don’t jibe with voting for the modern national Republican Party. Pence was probably the most “Christian” of the Republican candidates last year and he had the fewest votes. None of the prior Republican candidates for President would have stood a chance in todays environment.

jrs235 2y ago
As a proclaimed Christian, I agree. Never have I ever voted for fewer Republicans than in the last election.
normalaccess 2y ago
Pence is a "Dominionist" and wants to reinstate a theocracy. Last time we tried that was called the Dark Ages and we tortured people and burned them at the stake. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_theology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_theology https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/01/30/a-theology-of-power-mike-pence-and-the-dominionists/ https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/01/30/a-theology-of-power-...
- scarface_74 2y ago
  And at least that jibes with Christianity. I’m not saying I agree with it.

jrs235 2y ago

>I'll believe that many Christians do not see Trump as savior, though. As a Christian that is certainly concerned about Christians supporting and voting for Trump, sadly I think many do (see him as a Savior and one who can do no wrong) but don't realize it. They excuse excuse excuse. What I see happening is history repeating itself. The Isrealites pleaded for a strong man king like the other countries even though God said they didn't need one as long as they lived by "following true Christian values". They still wanted one so God let them have one. Saul, being an insecure man, began oppressing them shortly after getting the throne.

scarface_74 2y ago
You really don’t think they realize it? These are the same “Christians” in the 60s who supported Jim Crow. Bob Jones University didn’t end the interracial dating ban until 2000. https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/national/030400bobjones-edu.html?Partner=iVillage&RefId=LmyyW=jEFnnnnNnwm https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/national... The entire Christian Organization is corrupt. From the wide support of Trump by its leaders from the national and local level to systematic covering of child abuse in the Catholic Church. If the abuses in the Catholic Church had happened anywhere else it would have come under RICO charges
- jrs235 2y ago
  I suppose many of them think God needs them to speed things up and usher in the antichrist. They certainly are letting their hearts turn cold. I wonder if they realize that they are the ones disobeying Jesus' commands to love others, our neighbors and our enemenies. To take care of the poor and those in need. To give the coat off our backs if asked. To offer the other cheek if struck. "Depart from me, I never knew you."...