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> the EU doesn’t take into account the unintended consequences of laws it passes when it comes to technology. So, the companies that implement these cookie ban

by troupo 2y ago

> the EU doesn’t take into account the unintended consequences of laws it passes when it comes to technology. So, the companies that implement these cookie banners are entirely without blame, right? So what is your solution? Reminder: GDPR is general data protection regulation. It doesn't deal with cookies at all. It deals with tracking, collecting and keeping of user data. Doesn't matter if it's on the internet, in you phone app, or in an ofline business. Reminder: if your solution is "this should've been built into the browser", then: 1) GDPR doesn't deal with specific tech (because tech changes), 2) when governments mandates specific solutions they are called overreaching overbearing tyrants and 3) why hasn't the world's largest advertising company incidentally owning the world's most popular browser implemented a technical solution for tracking and cookie banners in the browser even though it's been 8 years already? > But guess which had a more deleterious effect on Facebook ad revenue and tracking - Apples ATT or the GDPR? In the long run most likely GDPR (and that's why Facebook is fighting EU in courts, and only fights Apple in newspaper ads), because Apple's "ask apps to not track" doesn't work. This was literally top article on HN just yesterday: "Everyone knows your location: tracking myself down through in-app ads" https://timsh.org/tracking-myself-down-through-in-app-ads/ https://timsh.org/tracking-myself-down-through-in-app-ads/ So what is your solution to that?

scarface_74 2y ago
Meta announced in their earnings report that ATT caused a drop in revenue after it went to effect. They made no such announcement after the GDPR. What’s my solution? There isn’t one, you know because of the way the entire internet works, the server is going to always have your IP address. For instance, neither Overcast or Apple’s podcast app actively track you or have a third party ad SDK [1]. But since they and every other real podcast player GET both the RSS feed and audio directly from the hosting provider, the hosting provider can do dynamic ad insertion based on your location by correlating it to your IP address. What I personally do avoid is not use ad supported apps because I find them janky. On my computer at least, I use the ChatGPT plug in for Chrome and it’s now my default search engine. I pay for ChatGPT and the paid version has had built in search for years.
- troupo 2y ago
  > They made no such announcement after the GDPR. And yet they make no move against Apple, and they are fighting EU in courts. Hence long term. > There isn’t one, you know because of the way the entire internet works, the server is going to always have your IP address. Having my IP address is totally fine under GDPR. What is not fine under my GDPR is to use this IP address (or other data) for, say, indefinite tracking. For example, some of these completely innocent companies that were forced to show cookie banners or something, and that only want to show ads, store precise geolocation data for 10+ years. I guess something something informed consent and server will always have IP address or something. > What I personally do avoid is not use ad supported apps because I find them janky. So you managed to give me a non-answer based on your complete ignorance of what GDPR is about.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    > And yet they make no move against Apple, and they are fighting EU in courts. Hence long term. What “move” could they do against Apple? > So you managed to give me a non-answer based on your complete ignorance of what GDPR is about. You asked me how do I avoid it? I do it by being an intelligent adult who can make my own choices

by troupo 2y ago

scarface_74 2y ago

Meta announced in their earnings report that ATT caused a drop in revenue after it went to effect. They made no such announcement after the GDPR. What’s my solution? There isn’t one, you know because of the way the entire internet works, the server is going to always have your IP address. For instance, neither Overcast or Apple’s podcast app actively track you or have a third party ad SDK [1]. But since they and every other real podcast player GET both the RSS feed and audio directly from the hosting provider, the hosting provider can do dynamic ad insertion based on your location by correlating it to your IP address. What I personally do avoid is not use ad supported apps because I find them janky. On my computer at least, I use the ChatGPT plug in for Chrome and it’s now my default search engine. I pay for ChatGPT and the paid version has had built in search for years.

troupo 2y ago
> They made no such announcement after the GDPR. And yet they make no move against Apple, and they are fighting EU in courts. Hence long term. > There isn’t one, you know because of the way the entire internet works, the server is going to always have your IP address. Having my IP address is totally fine under GDPR. What is not fine under my GDPR is to use this IP address (or other data) for, say, indefinite tracking. For example, some of these completely innocent companies that were forced to show cookie banners or something, and that only want to show ads, store precise geolocation data for 10+ years. I guess something something informed consent and server will always have IP address or something. > What I personally do avoid is not use ad supported apps because I find them janky. So you managed to give me a non-answer based on your complete ignorance of what GDPR is about.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  > And yet they make no move against Apple, and they are fighting EU in courts. Hence long term. What “move” could they do against Apple? > So you managed to give me a non-answer based on your complete ignorance of what GDPR is about. You asked me how do I avoid it? I do it by being an intelligent adult who can make my own choices