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I think a lot of people just want to give the current administration a chance. Half the country wanted him, and if it wasn't this, it would be an actual civil w
by notepad0x90 2y ago
I think a lot of people just want to give the current administration a chance. Half the country wanted him, and if it wasn't this, it would be an actual civil war eventually.
However, isn't it a bit naive to presume the current administration would relinquish power and allow for a peaceful transfer of government in the end?
I hope I'm wrong but all the evidence and data is pointing to a decline of America and the American-led world order. What's more concerning is, as the economy and social climate continues to decline, people will be far less tolerant and accepting of each other. I'm concerned a lot of the horrible historical trends of the past will repeat.
A lot of things are happening that you just can't recover from, like at all. And some things, like relations with Canada and the EU may not recover for like a generation.
I suspect, history will look at the past few months as the time when the cold war was really won. I mean, even on HN, the majority were against the tiktok ban, if that isn't defeat, what is? Imagine not banning propaganda radio from Russia and china during the cold war. The most crucial victory America's enemies achieved is convincing American voters they're no longer their enemies. American voters mostly think it's a fight between governments or politicians, they don't get that the hostility includes the day to day people of the nations involved.
The question really (to me at least) is, is the war already lost and we just need time to process the loss? or can it still be fought? I don't know how, it will be decades of trying to avoid an actual civil war, can America really withstand being torn apart, when even something like banning tiktok is impossible?
I can understand how looking at the greatness of this nation and its might it can be difficult to imagine it's fall and decimation. can congress and the supreme court put aside their own short-term gains to save their country? Will states continue to want to be part of the union, despite disaster aids being withheld and American citizens being deported (yes, this is happening)?
And who would come after trump, now that trump has paved the way? it will take him his entire term fully gutting the government and lining up the military. I suspect his replacement won't need votes.
- blurbleblurble 2y agoHalf the country did not. 1/3 of eligible voters. Which doesn't even count people under 18. And to say that everyone who voted for him "wanted him" is a stretch.
- reverius42 2y agoIf the 1/3 of eligible voters who stayed home thought they were opposing Trump, uh, I have some news.
- happytoexplain 2y agoActive opposition is not the only alternative to "wanting". Further, as the parent points out, even voting for somebody isn't necessarily "wanting" them (I've certainly voted for candidates I explicitly do not want), and staying home is obviously an even lower bar. These are famous problems with most voting systems, especially the USA's. I.e. the parent is correct.
- notepad0x90 2y agoi just counted people who voted. for trump voters, it is hard to believe they didn't want him to the most part. many people stayed home because they didn't like kamala or trump. you can vote for anyone you want, including yourself.