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> To me this is a huge downside. One of the reasons I like Go C# with NativeAOT might be an easier path for Java developers. Some might like the expressiveness

by jeswin 2y ago

> To me this is a huge downside. One of the reasons I like Go C# with NativeAOT might be an easier path for Java developers. Some might like the expressiveness as well over Go.

pragmatick 2y ago
I don't think you'd be a Java developer anymore.
- neonsunset 2y ago
  That made me laugh out loud for some reason haha Indeed!
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Why not? Both ecosystems complement themselves, some stuff Java ecosystem does much better than .NET, like multiple implementations, with various kinds of GC and JIT implementations, wider support of hardware deployments, tooling like Graal, industry standards, IDE implementations, a mobile OS,... Other things the .NET ecosystem does better, support for value types, low level programming, SIMD, desktop development, game engines. To this day they keep copying features from each other, and if either C# or Java isn't one's taste, there are still several other options on each platform. Hence why I am confortably at home using them both, complemented by JS/TS for FE, and C++ for fiddling with their runtimes, or plugging into native libraries.
  - neonsunset 2y ago
    What features is C# copying from Java?
    - pjmlp 2y ago
      Most of C# 1.0 for starters, given that it was born from the lawsuit and J++ extensions, J/Direct, COM interop, events and Windows Foundation Classes. More recently, default interface methods, apparently the ongoing discriminate union design seems to now be settling on similar Scala/Java approach, I still have to spend some time delving into it. Not delving now on the CLR, versus the various JVM implementations, regarding GC, JIT, PGO, tiered compilation, escape analysis,...
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brabel 2y ago
I've been using Dart instead. Not too far from Java, but can compile to executable without any cerimony.
josefx 2y ago
How is the cross platform UI situation on C#? Anything official?
- neonsunset 2y ago
  There is a good selection of multi-platform GUI frameworks: AvaloniaUI, Uno Platform, MAUI and smaller more focused alternatives.

by jeswin 2y ago

> To me this is a huge downside. One of the reasons I like Go C# with NativeAOT might be an easier path for Java developers. Some might like the expressiveness as well over Go.

pragmatick 2y ago

I don't think you'd be a Java developer anymore.

neonsunset 2y ago
That made me laugh out loud for some reason haha Indeed!
pjmlp 2y ago
Why not? Both ecosystems complement themselves, some stuff Java ecosystem does much better than .NET, like multiple implementations, with various kinds of GC and JIT implementations, wider support of hardware deployments, tooling like Graal, industry standards, IDE implementations, a mobile OS,... Other things the .NET ecosystem does better, support for value types, low level programming, SIMD, desktop development, game engines. To this day they keep copying features from each other, and if either C# or Java isn't one's taste, there are still several other options on each platform. Hence why I am confortably at home using them both, complemented by JS/TS for FE, and C++ for fiddling with their runtimes, or plugging into native libraries.
- neonsunset 2y ago
  What features is C# copying from Java?
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Most of C# 1.0 for starters, given that it was born from the lawsuit and J++ extensions, J/Direct, COM interop, events and Windows Foundation Classes. More recently, default interface methods, apparently the ongoing discriminate union design seems to now be settling on similar Scala/Java approach, I still have to spend some time delving into it. Not delving now on the CLR, versus the various JVM implementations, regarding GC, JIT, PGO, tiered compilation, escape analysis,...
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]

brabel 2y ago

I've been using Dart instead. Not too far from Java, but can compile to executable without any cerimony.

josefx 2y ago

How is the cross platform UI situation on C#? Anything official?

neonsunset 2y ago
There is a good selection of multi-platform GUI frameworks: AvaloniaUI, Uno Platform, MAUI and smaller more focused alternatives.