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I think civil servants underestimate how many are cheering on the incursion. A large portion if the populace that educated professional class rarely mix with v

by ty6853 2y ago

I think civil servants underestimate how many are cheering on the incursion. A large portion if the populace that educated professional class rarely mix with view much of the federal government as paper pushers who declare shoe laces as machine guns, arrest people for improperly packaged lobsters, stop the import of favored trucks like the Hilux, and roll into towns like Waco and pose in pictures of the rubble of children burned alive. The reasoning musk provides may be untruthful, but it's incredibly persuasive to a winning segment of voters. These articles are meant to be alarm bells, but they end up as delightful entertainment.

namuol 2y ago
Maybe I’m just out of touch, but I’m not convinced the general public thinks any of those bizarrely specific things.
- kragen 2y ago
  These weren't that hard to find, so I think probably a lot of people know about them, even though I didn't: https://www.reddit.com/r/NFA/comments/n4dpm7/the_atf_outlawed_shoelaces/ https://www.reddit.com/r/NFA/comments/n4dpm7/the_atf_outlawe... https://ideatransfuser.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/from-lobster-importing-to-prison-a-story-of-violation/ https://ideatransfuser.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/from-lobster... https://fourwheelinsider.com/toyota-hilux-united-states/ https://fourwheelinsider.com/toyota-hilux-united-states/ You can't possibly be unaware of the Waco mass killing if you are confusing the US electorate with the general public.
  - namuol 2y ago
    I never doubted these were real stories, I just doubt they’re particularly relatable. On Waco: I do not see how this fits in with the others.
    - kragen 2y ago
      You don't think wanting to buy a Toyota Hilux is "relatable"? Or importing lobster tails and getting arrested for it? Or wanting to play with guns? Or watching your family members burned to death without a trial on national TV? What meaning of "relatable" are you using here, and how does it relate to public opinion about the Federal Government?
      - namuol 2y ago
        I meant these are talking points more so than the sort of things actually affecting most Americans.
        kragen 2y ago
        Pickups, rifles, shoelaces, police brutality, due process, and seafood? How much more everyday can you get? I am not able to rightly apprehend what sort of confusion of ideas could give voice to such an utterance.
      - kccoder 2y ago
        Sounds like we need a scalpel, not napalm. For every silly/stupid regulation removed, there will be 100 important regulations as collateral. And then we'll see real collateral.
        kragen 2y ago
        Why are you even mentioning silly/stupid regulations? And what do you mean by "collateral"?
        delecti 2y ago
        Not who you were talking with, but: You linked the shoelace restriction. That seems like an obvious example of "silly/stupid". By collateral, death. Most regulations are written in blood. Tearing out a bunch of Chesterton fence regulations will result in death.
muddi900 2y ago
That is great, but like it's just some guy who took over the government. Like y'all know that is not normal.
toomuchtodo 2y ago
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article299448859.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/artic... > Sixty-five percent of Americans say government efficiency is an issue, but few said they supported DOGE, and fewer than half of those polled support the department’s head. Fifty-two percent of Americans, asked ahead of the Jan. 20 inauguration, had an unfavorable view of Musk, while 36% had a favorable view of him, according to the AP-NORC poll released on Jan. 24. And just 29% of Americans said they approved of the creation of DOGE. > On government inefficiency, 81% of Republicans identified it as a major issue. However, only 58% of Republicans said they supported DOGE. With Democrats, 55% saw government inefficiency as a problem, but only 11% are in favor of DOGE. Those numbers are 61% and 20%, respectively, with independents. Six in 10 respondents went on to say they disapprove of billionaires advising the president. Just 20% of Republicans said they thought policy advice from billionaires was a good thing, while 44% did not find the idea to be positive or negative, the poll found.
kccoder 2y ago
A lot of those same people are going to questioning where the various government services they utilize have gone, or why they are no longer allowed to be in a union, or why do the worker protections they were accustomed to no longer exist, or why their drinking water isn't safe, or why there is a measles outbreak, or why can't I use the free tax filing system that my taxes paid for and saved them money, or why the amount of smog and noxious chemicals has increased exponentially, or, or, or, ... Ignorance is bliss. Or at least it is until your child grows a third arm, and you spend an hour a day boiling your water for safety.
- anon22981 2y ago
  The punchline is that after all is set and done these people will still believe the lies Trump and Musk give to them. Just shift blame to something else, have that common enemy, bring up some of the ”positives” you’ve done and they are just as hooked, if not more so.

by ty6853 2y ago

namuol 2y ago

Maybe I’m just out of touch, but I’m not convinced the general public thinks any of those bizarrely specific things.

kragen 2y ago
These weren't that hard to find, so I think probably a lot of people know about them, even though I didn't: https://www.reddit.com/r/NFA/comments/n4dpm7/the_atf_outlawed_shoelaces/ https://www.reddit.com/r/NFA/comments/n4dpm7/the_atf_outlawe... https://ideatransfuser.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/from-lobster-importing-to-prison-a-story-of-violation/ https://ideatransfuser.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/from-lobster... https://fourwheelinsider.com/toyota-hilux-united-states/ https://fourwheelinsider.com/toyota-hilux-united-states/ You can't possibly be unaware of the Waco mass killing if you are confusing the US electorate with the general public.
- namuol 2y ago
  I never doubted these were real stories, I just doubt they’re particularly relatable. On Waco: I do not see how this fits in with the others.
  - kragen 2y ago
    You don't think wanting to buy a Toyota Hilux is "relatable"? Or importing lobster tails and getting arrested for it? Or wanting to play with guns? Or watching your family members burned to death without a trial on national TV? What meaning of "relatable" are you using here, and how does it relate to public opinion about the Federal Government?
    - namuol 2y ago
      I meant these are talking points more so than the sort of things actually affecting most Americans.
      - kragen 2y ago
        Pickups, rifles, shoelaces, police brutality, due process, and seafood? How much more everyday can you get? I am not able to rightly apprehend what sort of confusion of ideas could give voice to such an utterance.
    - kccoder 2y ago
      Sounds like we need a scalpel, not napalm. For every silly/stupid regulation removed, there will be 100 important regulations as collateral. And then we'll see real collateral.
      - kragen 2y ago
        Why are you even mentioning silly/stupid regulations? And what do you mean by "collateral"?
        delecti 2y ago
        Not who you were talking with, but: You linked the shoelace restriction. That seems like an obvious example of "silly/stupid". By collateral, death. Most regulations are written in blood. Tearing out a bunch of Chesterton fence regulations will result in death.

muddi900 2y ago

That is great, but like it's just some guy who took over the government. Like y'all know that is not normal.

toomuchtodo 2y ago

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article299448859.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/artic... > Sixty-five percent of Americans say government efficiency is an issue, but few said they supported DOGE, and fewer than half of those polled support the department’s head. Fifty-two percent of Americans, asked ahead of the Jan. 20 inauguration, had an unfavorable view of Musk, while 36% had a favorable view of him, according to the AP-NORC poll released on Jan. 24. And just 29% of Americans said they approved of the creation of DOGE. > On government inefficiency, 81% of Republicans identified it as a major issue. However, only 58% of Republicans said they supported DOGE. With Democrats, 55% saw government inefficiency as a problem, but only 11% are in favor of DOGE. Those numbers are 61% and 20%, respectively, with independents. Six in 10 respondents went on to say they disapprove of billionaires advising the president. Just 20% of Republicans said they thought policy advice from billionaires was a good thing, while 44% did not find the idea to be positive or negative, the poll found.

kccoder 2y ago

A lot of those same people are going to questioning where the various government services they utilize have gone, or why they are no longer allowed to be in a union, or why do the worker protections they were accustomed to no longer exist, or why their drinking water isn't safe, or why there is a measles outbreak, or why can't I use the free tax filing system that my taxes paid for and saved them money, or why the amount of smog and noxious chemicals has increased exponentially, or, or, or, ... Ignorance is bliss. Or at least it is until your child grows a third arm, and you spend an hour a day boiling your water for safety.

anon22981 2y ago
The punchline is that after all is set and done these people will still believe the lies Trump and Musk give to them. Just shift blame to something else, have that common enemy, bring up some of the ”positives” you’ve done and they are just as hooked, if not more so.