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Reddit - "Pink mist them all" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrYxMsWmrjk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrYxMsWmrjk (Screen caps on Twitter etc. if someone

by NedF 2y ago

Reddit - "Pink mist them all" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrYxMsWmrjk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrYxMsWmrjk (Screen caps on Twitter etc. if someone wants to find and link them) Mocking != doxing. Musk was horrid to do that, but it's a different thing.

scarab92 2y ago
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- qingcharles 2y ago
  I've been on Reddit since at least 2007. I've not seen any swing in political views. I think it's just that the sort of people that use Reddit are the sort of people who are typically more left-wing. I'm just glad we have social networks which are left-wing to bring balance to the system.
  - scarab92 2y ago
    > I've not seen any swing in political views That’s like a frog saying the water isn’t getting warmer.
    - realce 2y ago
      So what year was reddit not described as a far-left echo chamber? When was this golden age?
      - scarab92 2y ago
        In 2010 Reddit was center-left, with a high degree of variance between subreddits. Today it is a far-left echo chamber in most large subreddits. The process of change was gradual. Like all echo chambers it is a result of distillation, with marginal moderate users progressively leaving in response to seeing the shrinking frontier of acceptable discourse.
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      - Newlaptop 2y ago
        Early Reddit had a philosophically libertarian majority (or at least, a significant percentage) and a demographic of mostly STEM-oriented, bookish, nerdy dudes from 18-40. Ron Paul was a popular political candidate. "Socially liberal, fiscally conservative" was a common refrain, although in 2008 that usually meant supporting gay marriage and wanting legal marijuana. People were skeptical of big corporations and big government alike, but had genuine belief that technology was changing the status quo in positive ways (remember when Google was a startup and "Don't be evil" felt earnest). The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were unpopular, but a big chunk of the criticism focused on ways the PATRIOT act invaded individual privacy and the wastefulness of DHS spending. Open source software and filesharing were discussed as philosophical stances and acts of resistance against entrenched powers. Race and gender were rarely discussed as being particularly important. Writing this made me realize not just how different Reddit was, but also the issues of the time and the ways they were thought of and talked about. It's almost hard to map onto contemporary parties, policies or issues.
  - SoftTalker 2y ago
    Balance? Which mainstream social networks are right wing?
    - davidw 2y ago
      Have you ever heard of X dot com?
      - SoftTalker 2y ago
        I have heard of it but don't use it. My expectation is that it's a fairly diverse group.
        davidw 2y ago
        It's run by a white supremacist who throws Sieg Heil salutes. It's extremely right wing.
    - hackyhacky 2y ago
      https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/mark-zuckerberg-pivoted-meta-right-rcna186687 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/mark-zuckerberg-pi... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/how-elon-musk-uses-his-x-social-media-platform-to-amplify-right-wing-views https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/how-elon-musk-uses-his...
    - UltraSane 2y ago
      X facebook
  - terrabiped 2y ago
    Reddit has been in a state of hysteria for the past couple of weeks. You’re right that the overall leaning hasn’t changed much, but it was never this crazy, even during Trump’s first term. It’s a nonstop barrage of nazi labels, overblown news, and comments that “hint” at more direct involvement and violence. It's so weird that I've even started to doubt whether most of those comments are from real people.
    - Salgat 2y ago
      I'm not sure why you're surprised. Reddit has always been left leaning and progressive, and they were making a lot of noise about Trump his first term, especially with the Mueller investigation. Now you have a huge trade war going on, he keeps threatening the soveriegnty of multiple long time allies, a billionaire has extensive access to government data (the same one that did that nazi salute), along with ICE being ramped up all in the first couple weeks of his term. Our president also ran a crypto scam that made him billions right before his term started. He also keeps joking about running for a third term and is challenging a 150 year constitutional law on birthright citizenship with an executive order. Even you have to admit that this is a lot going on compared to anything we've seen before.
      - scarab92 2y ago
        If redditors were simply complaining about things like the attempts to stop birthright citizenship, then I would agree that it’s left leaning. What makes it far-left are the calls for violence all over the place, and the rejection of opinions from more moderate democrats. When even the hyper sensitive ADL can admit that musk did not do a Nazi salute, but your users cannot, you’ve become a far-left echo chamber.
        Salgat 2y ago
        For some context, the ADL is a pro-israeli organization, which is why they have been praising the current administration recently.
      - terrabiped 2y ago
  - concordDance 2y ago
    It used to be very libertarian (big on free speech, etc) but has since shifted substantially liberal, including much warmer attitudes towards the use of violence. So partly orthogonal to the main left-right axis.
- ulbu 2y ago
  how do you differentiate this from your own rightwards-shifting views?
  - scarab92 2y ago
    Widespread defamatory allegations and calls for violence aren’t common everyday life but they are routine on reddit. Banning users with moderate opinions is not normal in everyday life, but is routine in many subreddits. Including users sharing opinions held by moderate democrats.
    - ulbu 2y ago
      you did not answer the question. did reddit change? or is it you? what’s “moderate”? would you describe yourself “moderate”?
      - scarab92 2y ago
        Reddit changed. It’s a natural artefact of the voting systems it uses for recommending content. These tend to result in echo chambers because political extremism results in more engagement, and thus more extreme users vote more and have a larger influence on what is shown. This is then amplified by the echo chamber effect, which distills the user base into ever more extreme positions as the moderate users find their opinions outside the evolving fringe of acceptable opinion. The reason I class it as far-left now, even though I wouldn’t in the past, is two things: Firstly, it is now plagued with extremist content, including calls to violence, which are tolerated by users and moderates alike. Secondly, the opinions expressed have a left bias relative to other members of the left. There are plenty of moderate democrats, including people like Obama, who would quickly find themselves banned from many default subreddits for their more moderate tolerant opinions.
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    - Depresst0 2y ago
Cody-99 2y ago
Did you seriously just link Asmongold?
- MangoCoffee 2y ago
  is Asmongold wrong? the WhitePeopleTwitter subreddit is now banned for 72 hours. "This community has been banned This subreddit has been temporarily banned due to a prevalence of violent content. Inciting and glorifying violence or doxing are against Reddit’s platform-wide Rules. It will reopen in 72 hours, during which Reddit will support moderators and provide resources to keep Reddit a healthy place for discussion and debate." https://old.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/ https://old.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/
  - Cody-99 2y ago
    Yes? Clearly lol. Reddit banned it because they were threatened by Elon. And the 'doxing' everyone is talking about is the naming of Elon's rightwing goons who took over federal systems lol. He said the same 'tHeY aRe cOmMItTinG a CrImE' bullshit against wired and other outlets who reported on his goons. As for violent content on reddit lets be real please. If you want to talk about violence open a Israel-Palestine thread not /r/whitepeopletwitter lol..
UltraSane 2y ago
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- dylan604 2y ago
  there's a whole lot to unpack here, and none of it is good. at the end of the day, you can consider Musk an outside contractor. how exactly is that treason? also, in which part of the constitution does it say anything about the federal payment system? that's not an article I'm familiar
  - UltraSane 2y ago
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    - eloisius 2y ago
      Please don’t share with us what Claude has to say. We can all query an LLM ourselves.
      - UltraSane 2y ago
        But you wouldn't do so, would you?
    - plaguuuuuu 2y ago
      protip for the future: if you need an actual legal opinion do not try to use AI
  - UltraSane 2y ago
    The power of the purse is the authority of the United States Congress to levy taxes and control government spending. It's a key part of the separation of powers in the Constitution and a check on the executive branch. If Musk actually stops any payment that was authorized by Congress then he is violating the Constitution. DOGE also has no legitimate need or legal right to access the federal payment system. He is in violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and should be arrested and put on trial along with any other DOGE employee who has accessed the federal payment system.

by NedF 2y ago

scarab92 2y ago

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qingcharles 2y ago
I've been on Reddit since at least 2007. I've not seen any swing in political views. I think it's just that the sort of people that use Reddit are the sort of people who are typically more left-wing. I'm just glad we have social networks which are left-wing to bring balance to the system.
- scarab92 2y ago
  > I've not seen any swing in political views That’s like a frog saying the water isn’t getting warmer.
  - realce 2y ago
    So what year was reddit not described as a far-left echo chamber? When was this golden age?
    - scarab92 2y ago
      In 2010 Reddit was center-left, with a high degree of variance between subreddits. Today it is a far-left echo chamber in most large subreddits. The process of change was gradual. Like all echo chambers it is a result of distillation, with marginal moderate users progressively leaving in response to seeing the shrinking frontier of acceptable discourse.
      - deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
    - Newlaptop 2y ago
      Early Reddit had a philosophically libertarian majority (or at least, a significant percentage) and a demographic of mostly STEM-oriented, bookish, nerdy dudes from 18-40. Ron Paul was a popular political candidate. "Socially liberal, fiscally conservative" was a common refrain, although in 2008 that usually meant supporting gay marriage and wanting legal marijuana. People were skeptical of big corporations and big government alike, but had genuine belief that technology was changing the status quo in positive ways (remember when Google was a startup and "Don't be evil" felt earnest). The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were unpopular, but a big chunk of the criticism focused on ways the PATRIOT act invaded individual privacy and the wastefulness of DHS spending. Open source software and filesharing were discussed as philosophical stances and acts of resistance against entrenched powers. Race and gender were rarely discussed as being particularly important. Writing this made me realize not just how different Reddit was, but also the issues of the time and the ways they were thought of and talked about. It's almost hard to map onto contemporary parties, policies or issues.
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  Balance? Which mainstream social networks are right wing?
  - davidw 2y ago
    Have you ever heard of X dot com?
    - SoftTalker 2y ago
      I have heard of it but don't use it. My expectation is that it's a fairly diverse group.
      - davidw 2y ago
        It's run by a white supremacist who throws Sieg Heil salutes. It's extremely right wing.
  - hackyhacky 2y ago
    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/mark-zuckerberg-pivoted-meta-right-rcna186687 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/mark-zuckerberg-pi... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/how-elon-musk-uses-his-x-social-media-platform-to-amplify-right-wing-views https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/how-elon-musk-uses-his...
  - UltraSane 2y ago
    X facebook
- terrabiped 2y ago
  Reddit has been in a state of hysteria for the past couple of weeks. You’re right that the overall leaning hasn’t changed much, but it was never this crazy, even during Trump’s first term. It’s a nonstop barrage of nazi labels, overblown news, and comments that “hint” at more direct involvement and violence. It's so weird that I've even started to doubt whether most of those comments are from real people.
  - Salgat 2y ago
    I'm not sure why you're surprised. Reddit has always been left leaning and progressive, and they were making a lot of noise about Trump his first term, especially with the Mueller investigation. Now you have a huge trade war going on, he keeps threatening the soveriegnty of multiple long time allies, a billionaire has extensive access to government data (the same one that did that nazi salute), along with ICE being ramped up all in the first couple weeks of his term. Our president also ran a crypto scam that made him billions right before his term started. He also keeps joking about running for a third term and is challenging a 150 year constitutional law on birthright citizenship with an executive order. Even you have to admit that this is a lot going on compared to anything we've seen before.
    - scarab92 2y ago
      If redditors were simply complaining about things like the attempts to stop birthright citizenship, then I would agree that it’s left leaning. What makes it far-left are the calls for violence all over the place, and the rejection of opinions from more moderate democrats. When even the hyper sensitive ADL can admit that musk did not do a Nazi salute, but your users cannot, you’ve become a far-left echo chamber.
      - Salgat 2y ago
        For some context, the ADL is a pro-israeli organization, which is why they have been praising the current administration recently.
    - terrabiped 2y ago
- concordDance 2y ago
  It used to be very libertarian (big on free speech, etc) but has since shifted substantially liberal, including much warmer attitudes towards the use of violence. So partly orthogonal to the main left-right axis.
ulbu 2y ago
how do you differentiate this from your own rightwards-shifting views?
- scarab92 2y ago
  Widespread defamatory allegations and calls for violence aren’t common everyday life but they are routine on reddit. Banning users with moderate opinions is not normal in everyday life, but is routine in many subreddits. Including users sharing opinions held by moderate democrats.
  - ulbu 2y ago
    you did not answer the question. did reddit change? or is it you? what’s “moderate”? would you describe yourself “moderate”?
    - scarab92 2y ago
      Reddit changed. It’s a natural artefact of the voting systems it uses for recommending content. These tend to result in echo chambers because political extremism results in more engagement, and thus more extreme users vote more and have a larger influence on what is shown. This is then amplified by the echo chamber effect, which distills the user base into ever more extreme positions as the moderate users find their opinions outside the evolving fringe of acceptable opinion. The reason I class it as far-left now, even though I wouldn’t in the past, is two things: Firstly, it is now plagued with extremist content, including calls to violence, which are tolerated by users and moderates alike. Secondly, the opinions expressed have a left bias relative to other members of the left. There are plenty of moderate democrats, including people like Obama, who would quickly find themselves banned from many default subreddits for their more moderate tolerant opinions.
      - deleted 2y ago
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  - Depresst0 2y ago

Cody-99 2y ago

Did you seriously just link Asmongold?

MangoCoffee 2y ago
is Asmongold wrong? the WhitePeopleTwitter subreddit is now banned for 72 hours. "This community has been banned This subreddit has been temporarily banned due to a prevalence of violent content. Inciting and glorifying violence or doxing are against Reddit’s platform-wide Rules. It will reopen in 72 hours, during which Reddit will support moderators and provide resources to keep Reddit a healthy place for discussion and debate." https://old.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/ https://old.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/
- Cody-99 2y ago
  Yes? Clearly lol. Reddit banned it because they were threatened by Elon. And the 'doxing' everyone is talking about is the naming of Elon's rightwing goons who took over federal systems lol. He said the same 'tHeY aRe cOmMItTinG a CrImE' bullshit against wired and other outlets who reported on his goons. As for violent content on reddit lets be real please. If you want to talk about violence open a Israel-Palestine thread not /r/whitepeopletwitter lol..

UltraSane 2y ago

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dylan604 2y ago
there's a whole lot to unpack here, and none of it is good. at the end of the day, you can consider Musk an outside contractor. how exactly is that treason? also, in which part of the constitution does it say anything about the federal payment system? that's not an article I'm familiar
- UltraSane 2y ago
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  - eloisius 2y ago
    Please don’t share with us what Claude has to say. We can all query an LLM ourselves.
    - UltraSane 2y ago
      But you wouldn't do so, would you?
  - plaguuuuuu 2y ago
    protip for the future: if you need an actual legal opinion do not try to use AI
- UltraSane 2y ago
  The power of the purse is the authority of the United States Congress to levy taxes and control government spending. It's a key part of the separation of powers in the Constitution and a check on the executive branch. If Musk actually stops any payment that was authorized by Congress then he is violating the Constitution. DOGE also has no legitimate need or legal right to access the federal payment system. He is in violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and should be arrested and put on trial along with any other DOGE employee who has accessed the federal payment system.