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History of a certain European country disagrees with such an optimistic view. I hope you are right though.

tim333 2y ago
We've had four years of Trump before and there wasn't anything along the lines of Hitler or Orban. This time maybe a bit Orban like.
- weare138 2y ago
  There were some adults in the room during his first administration that prevented his worst inclinations. It wasn't from a lack of trying. Now the GOP controls all 3 branches of government and stacked SCOTUS who have already ruled in favor of autocracy by granting presidents blanket immunity while in office. Now Trump is solidifying power and installing loyalists in every key position of power possible. They are violating the Constitution and rule of law. This is a coup. There's no other way to put it. The Nazi's took control of Germany without firing a shot. They were elected.
  - p3rls 2y ago
    Sometimes I don't know who has a worse idea of history, the right and its spartans or the left and literally everything.
    - weare138 2y ago
      They're oligarchs. There is no left and right. Just us and them.
      - red-iron-pine 2y ago
        nah. they're swinging pretty hard right. they're not pushing for higher taxes, or subsidized anything. they're not pro-worker or pro-union.
        weare138 2y ago
        But always keep in mind, politics is just a means to an end for these people. Remember how all the Silicon Valley techbros currently supporting the coup used to claim to be liberal and progressive? The 'culture wars' were invented by them to keep us distracted and divided. They're playing both sides of the fence against us while we blame the other side of the fence.
        BlueTemplar 2y ago
        Exactly, fascists are neither left or right : they only care about the Party (and in practice, certain people in it) being in power, not the disenfranchised workers, small bourgeois, or industrialists (much less free markets) they made promises to, and will accordingly pander to or drop them only as much as it serves them.

We've had four years of Trump before and there wasn't anything along the lines of Hitler or Orban. This time maybe a bit Orban like.

weare138 2y ago
There were some adults in the room during his first administration that prevented his worst inclinations. It wasn't from a lack of trying. Now the GOP controls all 3 branches of government and stacked SCOTUS who have already ruled in favor of autocracy by granting presidents blanket immunity while in office. Now Trump is solidifying power and installing loyalists in every key position of power possible. They are violating the Constitution and rule of law. This is a coup. There's no other way to put it. The Nazi's took control of Germany without firing a shot. They were elected.
- p3rls 2y ago
  Sometimes I don't know who has a worse idea of history, the right and its spartans or the left and literally everything.
  - weare138 2y ago
    They're oligarchs. There is no left and right. Just us and them.
    - red-iron-pine 2y ago
      nah. they're swinging pretty hard right. they're not pushing for higher taxes, or subsidized anything. they're not pro-worker or pro-union.
      - weare138 2y ago
        But always keep in mind, politics is just a means to an end for these people. Remember how all the Silicon Valley techbros currently supporting the coup used to claim to be liberal and progressive? The 'culture wars' were invented by them to keep us distracted and divided. They're playing both sides of the fence against us while we blame the other side of the fence.
        BlueTemplar 2y ago
        Exactly, fascists are neither left or right : they only care about the Party (and in practice, certain people in it) being in power, not the disenfranchised workers, small bourgeois, or industrialists (much less free markets) they made promises to, and will accordingly pander to or drop them only as much as it serves them.