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If AI is outlawed then only outlaws will have AI.

by hnburnsy 2y ago

bmicraft 2y ago
That take doesn't at all engage with the main point of the article: Unacceptable risk.
- _bin_ 2y ago
  it doesn't actually define unacceptable risks. could be used for the development of biological, chemical, or nuclear agents? sure, an intelligent general-purpose model could be. so can wikipedia versus having to trawl through old library books. so can control-F on a PDF.
  - fredoliveira 2y ago
    It provides examples of unacceptable risks — they're in the article. And the obvious whataboutism is obvious. Yes, you can find other sources for information on, say, developing bio weapons elsewhere. Does that mean you should have systems that aid you in collecting, synthesizing and displaying that information? That with the right interfaces and actuators can actually help you move towards that goal? There's a line somewhere, that is very hard to draw, and yet should be drawn regardless.
    - _bin_ 2y ago
      Wikipedia collects, synthesizes, and displays such information, and provides a references section for further exploration. How the heck can anyone justifying something that does that but in a chat format? The threshold to building any of these save nukes is extremely low, and nukes are only high because there are fewer use cases for radioactive material so it's simply less available.
Mistletoe 2y ago
I know you are trying to reference this quote with regard to guns but I think you are actually disproving the point you are trying to make. https://vpc.org/press/states-with-strong-gun-laws-and-lower-gun-ownership-have-lowest-gun-death-rates-in-the-nation-new-data-for-2021-confirms/ https://vpc.org/press/states-with-strong-gun-laws-and-lower-... I'll gladly live in a country with no AI at all. Give me Dune post-Butlerian jihad levels of AI outlawing and I'll move there. I strongly believe that myself and all the people living there will be much happier.
- Vecr 2y ago
  And Elon Musk moving to Mars will save him from human extinction.
biophysboy 2y ago
You could say this about anything.
- im3w1l 2y ago
  Yes, but sometimes it may not be a big deal? But with AI, it has the potential to be a very big deal.
  - biophysboy 2y ago
    I think it’s ok to regulate things that are a big deal.
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If AI is outlawed then only outlaws will have AI.

bmicraft 2y ago

That take doesn't at all engage with the main point of the article: Unacceptable risk.

_bin_ 2y ago
it doesn't actually define unacceptable risks. could be used for the development of biological, chemical, or nuclear agents? sure, an intelligent general-purpose model could be. so can wikipedia versus having to trawl through old library books. so can control-F on a PDF.
- fredoliveira 2y ago
  It provides examples of unacceptable risks — they're in the article. And the obvious whataboutism is obvious. Yes, you can find other sources for information on, say, developing bio weapons elsewhere. Does that mean you should have systems that aid you in collecting, synthesizing and displaying that information? That with the right interfaces and actuators can actually help you move towards that goal? There's a line somewhere, that is very hard to draw, and yet should be drawn regardless.
  - _bin_ 2y ago
    Wikipedia collects, synthesizes, and displays such information, and provides a references section for further exploration. How the heck can anyone justifying something that does that but in a chat format? The threshold to building any of these save nukes is extremely low, and nukes are only high because there are fewer use cases for radioactive material so it's simply less available.

Mistletoe 2y ago

I know you are trying to reference this quote with regard to guns but I think you are actually disproving the point you are trying to make. https://vpc.org/press/states-with-strong-gun-laws-and-lower-gun-ownership-have-lowest-gun-death-rates-in-the-nation-new-data-for-2021-confirms/ https://vpc.org/press/states-with-strong-gun-laws-and-lower-... I'll gladly live in a country with no AI at all. Give me Dune post-Butlerian jihad levels of AI outlawing and I'll move there. I strongly believe that myself and all the people living there will be much happier.

Vecr 2y ago
And Elon Musk moving to Mars will save him from human extinction.

biophysboy 2y ago

You could say this about anything.

im3w1l 2y ago
Yes, but sometimes it may not be a big deal? But with AI, it has the potential to be a very big deal.
- biophysboy 2y ago
  I think it’s ok to regulate things that are a big deal.
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