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> lead in legislation > legislation is kind of the point of a government As an American, most of this post reads like doublespeak satire. I guess it's not, bu

by tesch1 2y ago

> lead in legislation > legislation is kind of the point of a government As an American, most of this post reads like doublespeak satire. I guess it's not, but just to put a transatlantic pov here. I'll add a sports metaphor for good measure: in order to become expert football players, we'll get tickets to watch the best teams play.

esperent 2y ago
> As an American, most of this post reads like doublespeak satire Yeah, you guys have a lot of brainwashing to get over. I can imagine that you're deeply conditioned to read any outside views on politics as satire. One kind of brainwashing is the need to reframe everything political into sports metaphors. The EU is not a sports team. It's a political entity. Whatever you might have been taught, these are very different things, with different needs. You can't have meaningful conversations about a political entity via sports metaphors. Well, maybe in US politics you can. There you have two teams determined to beat the other at all costs. EU politics isn't like that. We are trying to work together, not kill each other.
- mandmandam 2y ago
  > There you have two teams determined to beat the other at all costs On the surface. It's all kayfabe though; heels and babyfaces. Just like with wrestling, the media know the score, and all the angles. After the match, they all laugh and joke together on the depraved billionaire owner's megayacht.
  - esperent 2y ago
    I don't think this is accurate, looking at it from outside. I mean, yeah, they both want to end up sitting on the billionaires yacht. But one side wants to do that while looking out over a fascist dictatorship. The other side has some weird idea that the billionaires will use their wealth to create a good life for everyone else too. Even though the term went out of fashion, it's still trickle down economics. These two sides are not the same. They're both bad, but one is much worse. The last time fascism took hold it took nuclear bombs in Japan and firebombing Dresden to end it.
    - what 2y ago
      >fascist dictatorship You probably shouldn’t be calling other people brainwashed.
      - esperent 2y ago
        I hope you're right. I like America, I want you guys to overcome this. Just remember that what most people think of when you say "fascism" is "literally Nazis". I don't think many people believe that's where the US is heading. There are far more possible flavors of fascism. The direction of the US is more like what Russia has, an oligarchy, with elements of fascism like concentration camps.
        VagabundoP 2y ago
        Yep, fascism will mold itself to the current culture and climate, and in the US right now that seems it will be meme ironic but real fascism.
        esperent 2y ago
        Damn, metamodern fascism :facepalm_emoji:
      - spiderfarmer 2y ago
        You’re right, it has become a fascist oligarchy in just two weeks. Faster than it took for you to realize it. But there’s still time to make Trump king.
      - sofixa 2y ago
        What do you call it when one of the billionaires who proudly and publicly sponsored the winning candidate for president (who, fun fact, has nominated enough supreme court judges that they ruled he has total immunity on official acts, and got away with an insurrection, rape, financial fraud, so obviously not a qualified candidate) does a Nazi salute on live TV in front of the whole country? If this were a book or a movie, everyone would be dismissing it as far too obvious and not how real world works.
- majormajor 2y ago
  > EU politics isn't like that. We are trying to work together, not kill each other. Oh? Been quite a while longer since there was war inside the US than war inside Europe. While it's been no time at all since vicious party battles in major European countries. Or countries nope'ing out entirely. But apparently fascists are only a thing in the US now? > creating a model that will match whatever current model is considered frontier level is not that hard for an entity like the EU What industry has the EU caught up in or maintained pace in like that by "leading in legislation"? I'd probably much rather retire in the EU than in the US but... there are certainly cons, not just pros, to the lack of urgency and bureaucratic "lets throw words at the problem" approach to economic development.
  - esperent 2y ago
    > Been quite a while longer since there was war inside the US than war inside inEurope Maybe you need to look up why the EU exists in the first place. Way back when it was called the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC). There haven't been any wars between member countries since it's foundation, so I think it's working pretty well, actually.
  - tokioyoyo 2y ago
    I don't have much skin in this pissing contest, but I've lived in Europe, North America and East Asia. > What industry has the EU caught up in or maintained pace What industries is the US leading which reflects itself in improvement of quality of life of its citizens? Cause some things really don't matter in grand scheme of things.
    - spiderfarmer 2y ago
      If they could make money from empathy, the US would try to become the world leader real quick.
    - CrimsonRain 2y ago
      EU has better quality of life on borrowed time. Yeah, some things don't matter in grand scheme of things. When your grand is larger, eu is in a bad place.
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spiderfarmer 2y ago
I’ll add some European wisdom to your sports metaphor. You don’t have to become a big football player to make money in football. I’d rather make money from the tickets and rights than dedicate my life to a sport that’s only played in the US.

by tesch1 2y ago

esperent 2y ago

> As an American, most of this post reads like doublespeak satire Yeah, you guys have a lot of brainwashing to get over. I can imagine that you're deeply conditioned to read any outside views on politics as satire. One kind of brainwashing is the need to reframe everything political into sports metaphors. The EU is not a sports team. It's a political entity. Whatever you might have been taught, these are very different things, with different needs. You can't have meaningful conversations about a political entity via sports metaphors. Well, maybe in US politics you can. There you have two teams determined to beat the other at all costs. EU politics isn't like that. We are trying to work together, not kill each other.

mandmandam 2y ago
> There you have two teams determined to beat the other at all costs On the surface. It's all kayfabe though; heels and babyfaces. Just like with wrestling, the media know the score, and all the angles. After the match, they all laugh and joke together on the depraved billionaire owner's megayacht.
- esperent 2y ago
  I don't think this is accurate, looking at it from outside. I mean, yeah, they both want to end up sitting on the billionaires yacht. But one side wants to do that while looking out over a fascist dictatorship. The other side has some weird idea that the billionaires will use their wealth to create a good life for everyone else too. Even though the term went out of fashion, it's still trickle down economics. These two sides are not the same. They're both bad, but one is much worse. The last time fascism took hold it took nuclear bombs in Japan and firebombing Dresden to end it.
  - what 2y ago
    >fascist dictatorship You probably shouldn’t be calling other people brainwashed.
    - esperent 2y ago
      I hope you're right. I like America, I want you guys to overcome this. Just remember that what most people think of when you say "fascism" is "literally Nazis". I don't think many people believe that's where the US is heading. There are far more possible flavors of fascism. The direction of the US is more like what Russia has, an oligarchy, with elements of fascism like concentration camps.
      - VagabundoP 2y ago
        Yep, fascism will mold itself to the current culture and climate, and in the US right now that seems it will be meme ironic but real fascism.
        esperent 2y ago
        Damn, metamodern fascism :facepalm_emoji:
    - spiderfarmer 2y ago
      You’re right, it has become a fascist oligarchy in just two weeks. Faster than it took for you to realize it. But there’s still time to make Trump king.
    - sofixa 2y ago
      What do you call it when one of the billionaires who proudly and publicly sponsored the winning candidate for president (who, fun fact, has nominated enough supreme court judges that they ruled he has total immunity on official acts, and got away with an insurrection, rape, financial fraud, so obviously not a qualified candidate) does a Nazi salute on live TV in front of the whole country? If this were a book or a movie, everyone would be dismissing it as far too obvious and not how real world works.
majormajor 2y ago
> EU politics isn't like that. We are trying to work together, not kill each other. Oh? Been quite a while longer since there was war inside the US than war inside Europe. While it's been no time at all since vicious party battles in major European countries. Or countries nope'ing out entirely. But apparently fascists are only a thing in the US now? > creating a model that will match whatever current model is considered frontier level is not that hard for an entity like the EU What industry has the EU caught up in or maintained pace in like that by "leading in legislation"? I'd probably much rather retire in the EU than in the US but... there are certainly cons, not just pros, to the lack of urgency and bureaucratic "lets throw words at the problem" approach to economic development.
- esperent 2y ago
  > Been quite a while longer since there was war inside the US than war inside inEurope Maybe you need to look up why the EU exists in the first place. Way back when it was called the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC). There haven't been any wars between member countries since it's foundation, so I think it's working pretty well, actually.
- tokioyoyo 2y ago
  I don't have much skin in this pissing contest, but I've lived in Europe, North America and East Asia. > What industry has the EU caught up in or maintained pace What industries is the US leading which reflects itself in improvement of quality of life of its citizens? Cause some things really don't matter in grand scheme of things.
  - spiderfarmer 2y ago
    If they could make money from empathy, the US would try to become the world leader real quick.
  - CrimsonRain 2y ago
    EU has better quality of life on borrowed time. Yeah, some things don't matter in grand scheme of things. When your grand is larger, eu is in a bad place.

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spiderfarmer 2y ago

I’ll add some European wisdom to your sports metaphor. You don’t have to become a big football player to make money in football. I’d rather make money from the tickets and rights than dedicate my life to a sport that’s only played in the US.