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MCL lives on today as Clozure Common Lisp: https://ccl.clozure.com/ https://ccl.clozure.com/

by lisper 2y ago

kazinator 2y ago
Clozure Common Lisp is excellent. It generates fast code and small images. I used Clozure Common Lisp for the Tankan kanji learning program, which uses a browser interface to a service application, the latter being written in CCL. I used MS Visual C++ to make the system notification are ("tray") icon program to control the service. The licensing back-end runs on CLISP as a CGI interface, and the same server-side program also serves as an administrative command-line utility, where I can manipulate the the license database.
kalleboo 2y ago
This actually seems like a more interesting link than the OP https://ccl.clozure.com/history.html https://ccl.clozure.com/history.html Although if anyone wants to run it, you could download it from the op and drop the file onto one of the emulators on https://infinitemac.org https://infinitemac.org (they run directly in your browser, no download needed)
- msephton 2y ago
  You can search Macintosh Garden directly within Infinite Mac. No need to download anything outside of that environment. https://blog.persistent.info/2024/11/infinite-mac-macintosh-garden-library.html https://blog.persistent.info/2024/11/infinite-mac-macintosh-...
  - p_l 2y ago
    In my experience emulators do not run MCL properly
    - msephton 2y ago
      In what way?
      - p_l 2y ago
        MCL crashing on startup, whether 68k or PPC versions, have yet to test 68k on popular ppc mac emulators. I expect that running MCL on QEMU emulating PPC Mac running MacOS 8 or 9 should work, however.
        msephton 2y ago
        Thanks!
- nxobject 2y ago
  Watch out, though - I think running MCL crashes some emulators like Mini vMac the last time I checked.
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bifftastic 2y ago
Anyone know the latest on the Apple Silicon port of CCL? The new mailing list doesn't seem to have a publicly-accessible archive.
- mark_l_watson 2y ago
  I didn’t think an Apple Silicon port would ever happen. I would love to be wrong about that!
- diskzero 2y ago
  You can see the Github issue covering this here: https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/issues/356 https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/issues/356 There was quite a bit of discussion about this a couple of years ago. OpusModus[1] investigated supporting CCL on M1, but wasn't confident that it could be accomplished, and instead ported their product to LispWorks. 1. https://opusmodus.com https://opusmodus.com
- lisper 2y ago
  That effort is somewhere between stalled and dead. Matt Emerson was funded to work on it, but that funding fell through a few months ago. I made him an offer to resume the work but he hasn't accepted it and hasn't said why. So unless there is someone else out there who is capable of doing this, it's not looking good.
  - bifftastic 2y ago
    Thank you for your reply. It's quite a sad situation.

MCL lives on today as Clozure Common Lisp: https://ccl.clozure.com/ https://ccl.clozure.com/

by lisper 2y ago

MCL lives on today as Clozure Common Lisp: https://ccl.clozure.com/ https://ccl.clozure.com/

Clozure Common Lisp is excellent. It generates fast code and small images. I used Clozure Common Lisp for the Tankan kanji learning program, which uses a browser interface to a service application, the latter being written in CCL. I used MS Visual C++ to make the system notification are ("tray") icon program to control the service. The licensing back-end runs on CLISP as a CGI interface, and the same server-side program also serves as an administrative command-line utility, where I can manipulate the the license database.

kalleboo 2y ago

This actually seems like a more interesting link than the OP https://ccl.clozure.com/history.html https://ccl.clozure.com/history.html Although if anyone wants to run it, you could download it from the op and drop the file onto one of the emulators on https://infinitemac.org https://infinitemac.org (they run directly in your browser, no download needed)

msephton 2y ago
You can search Macintosh Garden directly within Infinite Mac. No need to download anything outside of that environment. https://blog.persistent.info/2024/11/infinite-mac-macintosh-garden-library.html https://blog.persistent.info/2024/11/infinite-mac-macintosh-...
- p_l 2y ago
  In my experience emulators do not run MCL properly
  - msephton 2y ago
    In what way?
    - p_l 2y ago
      MCL crashing on startup, whether 68k or PPC versions, have yet to test 68k on popular ppc mac emulators. I expect that running MCL on QEMU emulating PPC Mac running MacOS 8 or 9 should work, however.
      - msephton 2y ago
        Thanks!
nxobject 2y ago
Watch out, though - I think running MCL crashes some emulators like Mini vMac the last time I checked.

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bifftastic 2y ago

Anyone know the latest on the Apple Silicon port of CCL? The new mailing list doesn't seem to have a publicly-accessible archive.

mark_l_watson 2y ago
I didn’t think an Apple Silicon port would ever happen. I would love to be wrong about that!
diskzero 2y ago
You can see the Github issue covering this here: https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/issues/356 https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/issues/356 There was quite a bit of discussion about this a couple of years ago. OpusModus[1] investigated supporting CCL on M1, but wasn't confident that it could be accomplished, and instead ported their product to LispWorks. 1. https://opusmodus.com https://opusmodus.com
lisper 2y ago
That effort is somewhere between stalled and dead. Matt Emerson was funded to work on it, but that funding fell through a few months ago. I made him an offer to resume the work but he hasn't accepted it and hasn't said why. So unless there is someone else out there who is capable of doing this, it's not looking good.
- bifftastic 2y ago
  Thank you for your reply. It's quite a sad situation.